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I agree as well in this…one thing though …I believe that Kate is her other side of the coin. They are very similar when it comes to being grey or well balanced in some ways between black and white.

That’s awesome MrBluhm2U! Nice pickup on a subtle message.

I watched the same episode, but saw something entirely different. First of all, sleeping with a married man does not make a woman disloyal. Yes, Juliet is gray, she slept with a married man, said married man being every bit as gray as Juliet, which seems to have been missed here. Actually, Juliet didn’t break any marriage vows, while Goodwin did. If anyone was disloyal, that would be Goodwin, not Juliet.

But being in a gray area means neither right nor wrong. And in this case, I saw a marriage that was over before Juliet ever arrived, and a lonely and vulnerable Juliet in a strange new environment. For me, this episode gave Juliet a heart that previously seemed to be missing. It also showed Goodwin with a heart. Neither of them were “disloyal”, Juliet had no involvement with anyone else and Goodwins marriage was over and not by his choice.

Ben, however, turns out to be every womans nightmare. The obsessed creep who won’t simply accept that someone isn’t interested in him. He manipulated Juliet into an environment in which he was in total control. (in the real world, I think sexual harrassment charges would apply, like boss/employee) He claims ownership of her despite her lack of returned feelings, he dilberately sent Goodwin into a potentially dangerous situation and set him up to be killed, and then flaunted Goodwins dead body in Juliet’s face.

Juliet IS a loyal person. She was loyal to Goodwin, to her job, to Ben even (as a friend). She is now NOT loyal to Ben, for good reason, but she is afraid of him, for good reason. I believe Juliet does have some feelings for Jack. If Juliet does end up betraying him, it will not be out of disloyalty but out of trying to protect him from Ben’s wrath.

Ben turns out to be an evil lunatic, a real monster, the ultimate stalker. I’m sure I can speak for most women on this site when I say I’d love to see Ben in a vulnerable position and a nice big pair of not so sharp shears in Juliets hands.

OMG! Where is your club, caveman……..I mean Mr. B?? LOL

I cannot even begin to tell you how many salient points Ozz just made, but the one that stands out in my mind the clearest, aside of “the old double standard”, (for you good ole boys), is the fact that it is indeed Goodwin who is disloyal. IMO, and in the world I live in as a woman, he is the slut!!

Bitter table for one, right this way!!

I get that, but unless I missed something, she continued to have a relationship with Goodwin, even after Harper confronted her. Now I know what you’re saying about that not being disloyal, but it sure ain’t right!! It’s the decision she made, without putting the shoe on the other foot, and regardless, was aware of the marriage. Now, even though the marriage “was over”, they were still married. To continue having a relationship with Goodwin was a slap in the face to Harper, pouring salt on the wounds. BTW: I look at the grey area as in “On the fence, between right and wrong. A grey area means that you are aware that you are not 100% in either direction, which is all I meant by my post……ozzig……….PLEASE………..SHOW……..ME……….SOME…..LUV!!! You just cut me to peices!!!!!

Mr. B: I can show you some love! How about a grenade down the front of your pants???? LMAO!!

Man, you stepped in it! Muaaahhaaaa!!!

So sorry MrB—luv luv luv, do you feel better now? I hope so, because…. Harper did not love Goodwin. Goodwin did not love Harper. They simply hadn’t made it to island divorce court yet. Harper did not confront Juliet because “oh you’re stealing my husband boo hoo”. Harper could have cared less, she was only warning Juliet that Ben would do something to Goodwin. Juliet and Harper were never friends.

All of which is a moot point when you look at the fact that it was goodwin who was married, not Juliet. Why is it that even when men does a double dose of the same “wrong” that the woman does, that it’s the woman who gets all the blame. That is an attitude that came into being when men decided they should “own” women.

Great comments Ozz. !

Mr Blu…you gone and done it now, senor. THERE WILL BE NO LUV!!

Stick around MrB. I’ll make an enlightened man out of you yet !

Mr.B: I hope you are OK. Believe it or not, I wasn’t trying to cut you up, only to point out a certain ..um…strangeness .. to your outlook . If it’s any consolation to you, I’m not mad, I have been laughing….er…not exactly AT you, but…

I just wanted to clarify something so you can see why i said what I did.. Who was Juliet disloyal to? A husband/boyfriend ? No, she had none. Was she disloyal to her best friend Harper? Hell no, she and Harper were enemies from the moment they met, and at that, it was not of Juliet’s doing but 100% from Harper. They were enemies before she even MET Goodwin, and it was because, as Juliet noted, Harper was a petty and mean person. As for any other person on the island, they had nothing to do with it. So who was Juliet disloyal to? Absolutely no one.

But I will try to cut Harper some slack, despite her being one of those women whose head the rest of us would like to shove into a dirty toilet bowl. After all, we don’t know what might have turned her into such a hateful person. Perhaps it was chronic infidelity from her adultering husband ? Maybe she took one look at Juliet and thought “well, here comes another one”? Or maybe not. But given her automatic dislike of Juliet without valid reason, there could be something to that?

Also, Juliet has been walking on eggshells ever since Ben decided he wanted her. He made it clear that anyone she cares about could be next in line for dead. She’s in a predicament that doesn’t always lend itself to her normal behavior.

The way I see it, it takes two to tango. Goodwin and Juliet both knew what they were doing and did it anyway. I won’t cast critiques on whether that makes them good or bad, though. What it does is make them human.

As for the original post, I was interested that you could considered Jack to be ‘white’. Was it just in relation to Juliet’s perspective? Or do you consider him good? (In which case, how would you classify Locke?)

Perhaps no one person was represented by gray. The writers have always had the good vs evil theme going, and now they have introduced gray as an indication that everything isn’t just black or white in regards to what is happening with the battle for the island..

Yes, I said, from the perspective of the stones in the sandbox…….