You’ll never look at Charladay the same way (contains new Dharma video/ComicCon “spoilers”)
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- You’ll never look at Charladay the same way (contains new Dharma video/ComicCon “spoilers”)
- Created: Jul 27, 2008
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 4.13: There’s No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3
- Status: Current
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It all seems fairly obvious and self-explanatory to me, so I decided to take it one crazy step forward.
— kissmyapocalypse
Ok. I’ve been geekily, obsessively following the San Diego ComicCon live logs and video feeds. Special thanks to tapdawg’s YouTube channel. His posting of the Dharma video has already been seen 22,000 times, and it’s only a day old. If you haven’t seen it, it’s pretty central to my theory, check it out here . If you haven’t seen it and don’t want to, stop reading now.
When the video was over, the first thing I said to my girlfriend was, “That other voice was Faraday, right?” She shrugged but other commenters have since mentioned that they agree. Two other points so it makes more sense:
The question Darlton answered in the panel about Faraday’s notebooks containing lots of information on the past and future and featuring prominently in the new season would seem to fit with the fact that he hung out with Dharma in the 70’s.
In the video, Pierre Cheng (the real Marvin Candle) says he’s a theoretical astrophysicist. Sounds right up Faraday’s alley! Well, not to mention that both he and Cheng being physicists would be a prerequisite for creating an eerily-accurate time-slipping video from the past.
Because this video is 30 years old, I believe that means that Faraday, like Richard Alpert, doesn’t age.
So far, the only means of time travel demonstrated on the show are:
Through the orchid station, where bunnies can move small periods of time into the future or islands can move unknown periods of time into the future, but has never been seen moving anyone/ anything into the past, so this is unlikely.
Being “unstuck in time” where your consciousness only travels to a different point in your life, but since Faraday wouldn’t have been born, or would be very young, 30 years ago, this is clearly not the case.
Faraday isn’t Hiro Nakamura, and can’t just go back to 1972 or whenever. Lost doesn’t do that paradox/alternate-reality stuff like Heroes. Therefore I postulate that he does not age.
The note in his notebook about Desmond being his constant would lead us to believe he can become unstuck in time, like Desmond, so his 1970 consciousness can hang out in the body of 2008 Faraday, check out who’s president, how we communicate, and report back to Cheng (the reliable source Cheng mentioned).
So that’s probably a theory on its own right there, but it all seems fairly obvious and self-explanatory to me, so I decided to take it one crazy step forward.
There was also a baby heard crying on the video.
Daniel and Charlotte have an ambiguous but close relationship.
Charlotte was (as has been theorized by many) conceived and/or born on the island.
Daniel is Charlotte’s dad.
:)
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Charlotte | Charlotte Lewis | 4.2 | 49 |
| Daniel | Daniel Faraday | 4.2 | 105 |
| Richard | Richard Alpert | 313 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4.12 | There’s No Place Like Home, Part 1 | 5-15-2008 | Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Sun | 144 |
| 4.10 | Something Nice Back Home | 5-1-2008 | Jack | 140 |
Key locations
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Flash-Forward: Off-Island | 4.9, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 | 205 |
| The Orchid Station | & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 | 139 |
| The Pearl station | 2.21, 3.5, 3.14 | 231 |
This is an interesting theory and I’m not trashing it by saying this, just curious: who would Charlotte’s mother be then?
Awesome!!! The video was great. Definately gives new questions, and possibly some answers.
Let me get this straight though. Marvin Candle (Cheng) is in 1970 recording this video with Daniel (as I agree that it is his voice). Daniel knows what happens to the DI (which the current Cheng is apart of), and tells Cheng. Cheng is then recording this video in hopes that someone in the present will see it, and help bring the DI back to it’s glory days.
Am I right in thinking that Cheng is sitting in what was to become (now is) Ben’s house? He was sitting in front of a bookcase, more than likely in the barrack complex of the island.
Is this going to open the question of what happened to Annie? Ben was obviously there as a boy about the time this video was made. Ben didn’t meet Daniel in Season 4, so could have no way of recognising him from 30 years ago.
If Daniel is the father, which is possible I guess, who is the mother?
I don’t age with the Alpert (and Daniel) not aging thing. With the idea of time travel that Daniel is so determined to figure out, I would suggest something in the form of time travel, that the present day Daniel went back to find Candle (Cheng) to tell him about it.
The question becomes, if we’re gonna see more of Daniel, what happens to him? Last we saw, he was in boat with other survivors heading from an Island that just disappeared, to a frieghter that had just been blown up.
I quite like this theory. I really do.
About Daniel being Charlottes’s dad… it’s really possible, but I’m not too sure. I’m just curious about who Charlotte’s mother is… unless Charlotte is Charlotte’s mother? But that’s doubtful.
Awesome theory! :)
I personally think Daniel and the boat people were close enogh to the island to be taken with it to wherever it went to in the time. Sort of like a boat sinking, dragging the stuff around it into the water with it.
SSstatic, true, we are led to believe that they are still in the water in the same place and time, cause they see the light, and we see them after the light. We don’t see the boat from the chopper as it flies towards the island that just disappeared. So, its definitely possible.
Yeah, I’m with SSstatic on the current whereabouts of Daniel, but I didn’t bother postulating as we’ll probably find out in the series premiere, and doesn’t really affect my theory. The producers more or less confirmed at ComicCon that he’ll survive, so I’m happy with that.
As for the mom… I didn’t theorize on that one, either, since the field is so wide open. There’s no clues! It could be practically anyone. Well, Annie would have been too young, Rousseau wouldn’t have been on the island yet… I’m certain Charlotte is not her own mother, however, as that is the epitome of time travel paradox, the writers wouldn’t touch that with a ten-foot pole. If I HAD to guess…. Eve. (maybe Adam is Pierre? ok now I’m getting ahead of myself :)
Midnight, I’m not sure where the video is filmed. I thought someone said the swan, but rewatching the video, I’m not so sure. Could certainly be a generic barracks house. I’m pretty sure everyone agrees it was at least filmed on the island.
As for him just traveling back to the 70’s, no one has ever been able to do anything like that on Lost. Like I said, he’s not Hiro Nakamura. It would inevitably create a paradox. Him being immortal is something that’s been done before in the show’s mythology, and makes a lot more sense.
this sure is interesting - it would explain Faraday’s ‘feelings’ for Charlotte and since he spent time at Oxford and she is British - it could work…
I’m starting to wonder now who Faraday’s wife is, that we see in the ep where he’s crying after seeing the plane wreckage found on tv.
Also, who is the baby crying in the vid??? And is there something to the line he said “time is of the essence, no time IS the essence.” hmmmm
I’m gonna answer my own question (after some thought)
The baby is Charollet (sp) She is portrayed as being around 30. And Candle said you would receive this vid in 30 years….
Yes, John, that’s what I was trying to imply. The baby crying is Charlotte.
I didn’t think that was faraday’s voice… but that s just my opinion… however
you wrote …”like Desmond, so his 1970 consciousness can hang out in the body of 2008 Faraday, check out who’s president, how we communicate, and report back to Cheng”
Remember that the constant must be someone or something present in both “times” for it to work or “anchor” a consciousness so if thats the case Desmond would not work for Faraday’s 1970s consciousness ( if that was really faraday’s voice…)
I was on another site and they are saying the voice is Jeremy Davies, but I don’t remember who he is
I like this theory, but like others I’m skeptical on Daniel and Richard been ageless and believe instead it will have something to do with time travel, as this appears to be a central theme to the show which will emerge more so in coming seasons. Now I’ve never seen heroes, but I understand what you are saying about alternate realities and this not being an option. Time travel in lost is based on one linear time line as they’ve stated many times. However, this does not rule out time travel. For one thing, Daniel could be from the past, I.E Dharma Dan travelled foward to 2004 through possibly the usage of the frozen donkey wheel. Or maybe his conciousness is ‘unstuck’ in time, although I wouldn’t put my money on that one, as I think somebody would have noticed by now. But that could relate to Daniel’s memory problems. But other then Daniel’s method of time travel, I like your theory :) +1!
To throw my .02 in on where Faraday is now…
I dont belive he went with the island. I belive he floated in the ocean for awhile and was ultimatly rescued. Why? Becaue who better to find the islands new location then scientist who was part of Dharma to begin with and has all of the islands scientific information in his notebook. I think the beginning of next season will feature Jack, Ben and Co desperatly seeking out Faraday.
Ok, the woman featured with Faraday in the 2nd ep, is not his wife. It’s his carer. Go to lostpedia, type in enhanced episodes, and go to the 2nd ep of season 4. The enhanced episodes showed information at the bottom relating to the scene being shown.
Secondly, yes, I don’t agree with the consciousness travel, but we’re fairly sure that Desmond was not on the island in the 1970’s so Desmond could not be Daniel’s constant.
My only other explanation is, if Daniel went with the island, and the island went back in time to the 1970’s, Daniel and the other survivors would be able to find the DI and therefore make the video etc etc. This then ties in to the “others are dharma” theory. (in which the survivors=sawyer, juliette, rose etc would effectively be “hostiles” to the DI).
DAVE, Jeremy Davies is the geeza who plays Daniel.
I think it´s an original idea but if the transcript of the video (found on Lostpedia) is accurate then Dr. Cheng tells someone named Jennifer to bring him, the crying baby, outside for no further disturbances because this video is the only chance he got.
An obeservation: If Faraday did travel back to 1978 on the island or some other way to warn Dharma about the purge… then that puts Faraday further back in time than when he first met Desmond (in 1996 at Queens College). It also puts Faraday further back in time than when he was experimenting with time travel and Eloise.
What does that mean for Faraday using Desmond as his constant? What does that mean for time loop theories?
Also— didn’t the purge happen in 1992? Fourteen years advance warning (probably before Ben even came to the island), and Dharma was powerless to stop the purge? Fate v. free will?
Maybe it is not fate vs free will…
Maybe people choose sides and some of Dharma became the Others.
Just like some choose Jack vs Locke, when Dharma had to choose they also choose Faith vs Science
HLMem— I like your idea that people choose sides… flesh it out and post a theory!
If you listen closely in the video, Pierre is addressing a woman named Jennifer. He clearly says: “Jennifer! Just take HIM outside, please! I’ve got one chance at this.”
So therefore, the baby cannot be Charlotte because Pierre say’s HIM. Not her, or she.
Maybe it’s the son of Pierre?
Actually, he doens’t say Jennifer, he says “Dammit Laura.”
Timechild and WeHaveToGoBack, thanks for poking some holes, especially about Daniel’s constant. I’m going to work on filling them up in a revised version of this theory.
sittingintrees and ForeverLost pointed out that Cheng does address the baby as a “him.” I noticed this the first time I saw the video, too, and forgot to point out my two explanations for it:
I’m not entirely convinced that he said “him” - it sounded more like “‘em” to me, as in “them,” which is either a generic gender-neutral (grammatically incorrect) baby pronoun, or a plural pronoun, as in more than one baby.
Have you ever met a theoretical astrophysicist? Most of them can’t be bothered to know the gender of the baby who’s bothering them when they’re trying to work.
On another note, maybe the baby is a boy. Maybe it’s Pierre and Jennifer’s son, Miles. Hehe, just had to throw that one out there. It wasn’t my idea, though, it was JOpinionated‘s.
Midnight said “My only other explanation is, if Daniel went with the island, and the island went back in time to the 1970’s, Daniel and the other survivors would be able to find the DI and therefore make the video etc etc.”
Whoa. Talk about some paradox. If the whole island travels back in time… how would they find the DI? Would there be two islands? This one has my head spinning. I think it’s a lot easier (and a lot more likely) to assume that the island moved forward in time, making it disappear, just like the Orchid video explains.
Sarah, what do you mean by time loop theories? Aren’t those all invalid on their face due to time-travel paradox?
Oh, by the way, I’m not really sure where to ask this, but is it generally acceptable to re-post a theory after some heavy editing, or should one continue to edit the original post?
Ok - this theory has kind of confused so apologies if this has no reference to this but………………
Did anyone think it strange that Daniel and Charlotte knew exactly where that station was and the EXACT time in which the deadly gas was going to be released?
At first I thought Widmore may have a spy on the Island - but I think I prefer the idea that Daniel use to be a resident on the Island.