4 8 15 16 23 42 = O6
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- 4 8 15 16 23 42 = O6
- Created: Jul 16, 2008
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 4.13: There’s No Place Like Home, Parts 2 & 3
- Status: Current
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I see a connection between the O6, the Valenzetti Equation, and the fight for/against destiny. What if the 06 are the “human and enviornmental factors” to which the six numbers (4,8,15,16,23,42) refer?
Here what lostpedia has to say about the numbers and the Valenzetti equation:
“It has been revealed in The Lost Experience that these six numbers are the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. The numbers in actuality are said to represent human and environmental factors in the equation (given numerical form), though their precise meaning is uncertain. The purpose of the dharma Initiative was to change the factors leading to humanity’s demise, which will be indicated by an alteration in at least one of the human/environmental factors - i.e. the numbers. However, in all its years of research, the Initiative failed to reach its goal. Despite much research and manipulation of the equation’s values, the end result was always the numbers. ”
Here are my thoughts:
— The O6 are the human factors that correspond to the six numbers. Whether they are on or off the island, and where they are in time, are the enviornmental factors.
— The O6 are moving towards their destiny (D1). Apparently, their destiny includes crashing on the island. Does it also include leaving the island? If D1 is realized, then the numbers don’t change and humanity ends on the date predicted by the Valenzetti equation.
— Dharma’s experiements (including time travel) relate to changing the Valenzetti equation. Dharma is trying to identify and tinker with the destiny of these six “human and environmental factors.” Dharma’s preferred destiny is D2.
— Both Dharma and the Others seem to realize that the six “human and environmental factors” are related to Flight 815 crashing on the island. Maybe because Dharma and/or the Others have already been in the future, and are now in a time loop, fighting for which destiny will be realized (D1 = numbers stay the same, D2 = numbers are changed).
— Interestingly, Dharma seems very interested in manipulating factors surrounding the Oceanic flight crash. For example, Abbadon (representing Dharma) tells Locke to go on a walk about. Libby (representing Dharma) gives Desmond her boat so that Desmond will come to the island, fail to push the button, and cause an elctromagnetic abnomoly that will cause the plane to crash. Widmore fakes the Oceanic 815 crash site. Widmore hires Lipedus (who was suppose to pilot Flight 815) to join the freighter crew. Is this an attempt to try to change the factors in the Valenzetti equation/O6?
— At the same time, Ben and the Others are trying to manipulate a different outcome. For example, Richard recruits certain people from to come to the island (Locke and Juliet), Ben lets certain people leave the island, Ben wants the O6 (and possibly others) to go back to the island.
— If Ben/the Others are oppossed to Dharma, then it follows that Ben/Others are trying to keep the numbers as they are, which would mean helping the O6 realize a certain destiny. If that’s the case, then Dharma/Widmore are the “good guys” because they’re trying to delay the demise of humanity (by changing the numbers) and Ben is the bad guy because he’s trying to let desinty run its course.
— What stake does Ben have in letting destiny run its course? Would changing the numbers destroy the island? Would the island and it’s occupants survive the demise of humanity that the numbers predict?
— Conversely, what’s in it for Widmore? Changing the numbers may have been the stated goal of the Dharma initative, but Widmore seems to have other priorities (i.e. chasing down Ben, getting back to the island, using the island’s properties for his own gain rather than keeping track of the O6 and controlling their destiny). Perhaps Widmore’s plan is broader than we can see right now… Maybe chasing down Ben is his way of changing the numbers… Maybe Widmore couldn’t chase down Ben without getting back to the island… Maybe that’s what the purge was all about— who would control destiny.
Thoughts?
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ben | Benjamin Linus | 3.20, 4.9, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 | 1637 |
| Charles | Charles Widmore | 390 |
Good, well written, well thought out theory. +1 for dedication, and for taking the time to do a little research on the Valenzetti equation.
I think this theory is just as plausible as the other great theories on the site. Nice work. =]
It is well written, and if the Lost Experience was a big part of Lost, I might agree with your theory. I am one of those people that believe the Lost Experience has nothing really to do with how lost is going to conclude.
Very nice job. It’s the best written and thought out theory I’ve read in a long while. I have this feeling you’ve done this before. ;) +1
That was simply great….I like this a lot…
Do you want to go so far as to say that each of the O6 has their own number?
Steve pretty much submitted this theory before we even knew the oceanic 6 existed.
Not that I’m accusing you of plagarism. Its a very good theory.
Oh oh oh I like it a lot! You have just reminded me why I used to love this site :-) Its simple, its obvious and it makes sense. Thank you.
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Thank you……for ruining the rest of Lost! I really think that this is the backbone of the mystery that is Lost.
I actually think it is Jacob trying to change fate….
Acting under Jacobs direction, Ben/others manupulate a situation where the O6 leave the island and whilst out of the boundaries of the island, Ben turns the wheel stating ‘I hope you are happy now Jacob’ or words to that effect.
It may be worth noting that the O6 were heading back to the island after the freighter exploded as there was no fuel (course correction forcing them back to the island??) and will have reached the island if Ben hadn’t ‘moved’ it. Now the island has gone and ‘fate’ has no way to return them.
+1
further thought…
….unless, this is what Ben is now attempting to do - maybe his plan is that if he can get the O6 physically together, fate will find a way to return them - “I have some ideas”
Good to see a solid plausible theory. That’s a big +1 from me. :)
The show has never mentioned any Valenzetti Equation.
Whilst I 100% agree that Lost is all about fate/destiny and ultimately whether it can be changed, I really don’t believe that the Oceanic 6 are related to the Valenzetti equation as specifically as you are making out.
Sure there are 6 numbers in the equation, and 6 in the Oceanic 6, but I think thats where the explicit similiarity ends. I think by presuming that these 6 are the key to solving/changing the Valenzetti equation, you are ignoring some very key people and events that have happened in the show concerning non-O6 people (namely Locke, Ben and especially Desmond).
I personally think Dharma intended to use the islands properties to solve the Valenzetti equation, and when they were purged, that work fell into disarray a bit under Ben / Jacob’s leadership and focussed more on fertility issues.
I think Widmore (Charles that is) is not interested in really saving the world as such but more about harnessing the properties of the island to make money. I really don’t see him as an emmisary for humanity.
Just my thoughts. Even though I disagree with you, I enjoyed reading that. So +1 from me.
My apologies to Steve… I must not have read far enough back to find his post. Can I give a +1 to Steve for thinking of it first? ;)
I don’t think that the Valenzetti equation has to be a part of the show for the idea that the numbers represent fate/something bad to ring true. I think we can reach the same conclusions based on what is in the show alone (without the Lost Experience). The “extras” (like the Lost Experience) are there to help Lost-junkies like me clarify their thinking!
The numbers represent global warming. To change the factors of the equation all you have to do is use re-usable grocery bags.