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Molly—That is an Excellent Idea—that what Jack is tired of lying about is that he knows the world is doomed and can’t change it. That would explain his guilt and his desperation to get back. I like it.

JJ Abrahams certainly loves mysterious numbers.

He even agreed to make the Dark Tower by Stephen King into a movie or tv series for 19 dollars, which is the major magic number in that book!

You really could be right!

Molly, it’s unique and plausible. I like it. +1 for a really different theory and that’s saying something at this point!!!!!

Thanks Annie! :)

I like this a lot. So if the island is in the future then when Desmond turned the failsafe key, this event could have triggered the end of the world event.

My one question for you is, if the end of the world is on that date, why pick those numbers to enter into the hatch computer for so many “island years”?

This is good because it uses the numbers and ropes in Stephen King. When it comes to Lost theories, those are good avenues to steer down.

However, haven’t the numbers been verified as an equation (a fictional, meaningless equation in the real world, but a meaningful one in Lost) by the Lost Experience? Don’t we have our definition of the numbers?

Still, they are an equation that supposedly calculates the end of humanity so, if it turns out they also spell out the time… No, actually, I think that would be too obvious! It’s a complicated equation that spells out mankind’s doom - imagine the head-slapping “Doh!” moment when the scientists realised it was just a date and time!

Its been a while since a plausible new theory has been posted +1

It explains a lot about Jacks flashforward and the numbers. Maybe thats why the person in the casket killed himself. He just got tired of waiting for the end. I hope we have that Dharma D’oh! moment because I always hoped the big mysteries would be explained simply with that “Why didn’t I see it coming?” slap in the face

“What does it mean to die when you can live until the end of the world?”

Good golly miss molly!! +1

The numbers don’t have to “be” the date, they just go into the equation and produce “a” date, sometime in the future. The theory still works. +1.

Maybe the losties’ parents are aware of our earth’s fate and the island (in the future) and arrange for them to get there and then destroy the “portal”?

Thank you for all of your comments and insights. I know that it is a huge leap of faith to think the island is in the future. But for me, its starting to shed a little light on some things, especially if the end of the world (as we know it…gawd I love that song;) is tied to a man-made virus (Alvar Hanso arms dealer, perhaps bio-weapons?)

Perhaps Ben saying “this will be the beginning of the end” wasn’t a broad statement. Perhaps he was saying that directly to Jack as if to communicate, “this will be the beginning of the end FOR YOU JACK.”

shrugs

;)

+1 mate,i think your idea maybe true

I like this! +1

Question: If Jack leaves the island, how does he come to KNOW that the world is doomed?

+1!!!

To throw a little wrinkle into your theory MollyCocktail…the “15” doesn’t necessarily have to mean 2015. Could be 1915 or 1815…maybe some significant event or discovery happened at that time. Just a thought.

It would be just like those sneaky writers to do something like that ! Your idea is quite plausible.

Good idea, this definately could be possible.

So, Jack being depressed in future is because he knows the world is going to end. And Ben saying, “God can’t see this island, “(or something like that) means the world has already been destroyed. Ms. Hawking showing Desmond the guy that gets killed and telling him, “That was his fate, he was supposed to die,”(or something like that) is alluding to mankind’s downfall. And perhaps the Swan imploding sent them back to the present day, thus making it Penny’s contact and the freighter’s arrival possible. It could all fit, MC.

I wonder if the same knowledge could have been what turned Jack’s dad to alcohol, and some burden passed from father to son.

Oh, good point, ozzig.

MC, one thing that could counter your theory is that the date and time show up on the “System Failure” printout in Desmond’s flashback. Although, one could argue that the electromagnetic anomaly created a wormhole of sorts to the past, and the Swan computer was able to document the date and time that corresponded to that wormhole. (I think I just gave myself a headache)

Stephen King kicks ass…they must write together…

But not a weird thought about the numbers….but my guess; it’s something like: duhhhhhh……we didn’t see it….or something we just never could have guessed….

This is a wonderful fresh idea and I think that you might just be right. I dont think that the island is in the future but I really enjoyed the King time/date idea. Very creative thinking. +1

Great observation - I feel like we have been staring the answer in the face all this time!

One thing I don’t understand though is why Hurley won the lottery using these numbers?

that is a VERY good theory. this is one that i could easily stick with and believe until proof of it being wrong came up. if this is true about jack, that would explain ALOT about why he so desperately NEEDS to get off the island…but then i go back to the fast forward recently where he is VERY depressed and desperately wants to GO BACK….confusing stuff.

Very good theory! +1!!!!

I can’t help but think why Hugo and some of the other people that made it back on land don’t want to go back. Is Jack the only person that knows that the world is going to end? Correct me if I missed something. XD

~Travis V10

Wow!

I’ve been a longtime LURKER - but this theory was so clever that I signed up just to give Molly a +1 !!!!!

makes sense.. except for the fact of why kate would have taken claire’s son off the island.. to die in ten years? Or even if it is her baby why would she not want to go back so her child wouldn’t die…?

this is a good call however this has kind of all beenexplained before with the vallenzeti equation during the lost experience web game.

Lostpedia describes it as follows.

“According to the 1975 orientation film in the Sri Lanka Video, the Valenzetti Equation “predicts the exact number of years and months until humanity extinguishes itself.” In it, Alvar Hanso also states that the radio transmitter on the Island, will “broadcast the core numerical values of the Valenzetti Equation.” The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, are explained in the Sri Lanka Video, as the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso also states in the video that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation in order to give humanity a chance to survive.”

you can read the rest at http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation

However you additional info regarding Stephen King seems to add support to the overal argument though so I am glad you brought it up.

+1! I have also been wondering if the the island could possibly be in the future. You make a very strong point!

P.S. I love that song too!!!

That sounds very plausible, it would explain why their so concerned with solving the problem of birth on the island. No use having the safe haven for mankind if you can’t use it to repopulate.

nice theory. good point litheran, that does make sense why giving birth on the island is so important.

i just thought, if they do know the end of the world, why isnt kate so anxious to get back to the island like jack? especially since she does have a son now.

The stand is a great book

excellent theory! you compelled me to register +1

i dont buy this -1

+1

Love this one.. +1 all the way… One question…what is the meaning of the heiroglyphics that were displayed when the Numbers were not entered into the computer? And the I-ching symbols used for each of the Initiative’s stations? These are obviously ancient cultural references…I wonder what the significance of these are, and why Dharma would still be using these symbols hundreds and hundreds of years in the future?

I don’t agree with “the numbers” combination, or with your idea that the Island is in the future, but I hate to give you a -1 for such independent thinking, so +1.

wow.. that is an amazing idea! jj abrams also stole alot of names from past times like John Locke and Russoe they were old revelutionaly french war heroes. and charlotte lewis a new comer to the island is also CS louis the author of the narnia series. wow. good job!!!!

Never thought of it like that.

this is a really interesting theory it deals with the Valenzetti Equation and explains why dharma is their on the island per http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso

don’t know how I missed this one, great work. I’m not into the time travel aspect, but this is a well putogether, thought out theory.

i think this is a very interesting theory but can someone please explain how the island can be in the future? how much further in the future? i’m just not putting all the pieces together. everytime i think i have it, my brain craps out.

one thing i dont get if then pushing the button was so important why was it left up to relative nobodys an then fall to the losties who would obviously stuff it up.surly ben an the others would of been more desperate an stormed the place

I noticed on “Meet Kevin Johnson,” Michael was watching Jeopardy or some other quiz show and the answer was Kurt Vonnegut, author of “Slaughterhouse 5.” So, we have seen references in some form to Joseph Heller, C.S. Lewis, Stephen King, Vonnegut and various other figures in the scientific field as well as the bible. These guys are well educated and are throwing many more ideas into what they have already been inspired by. Many of us will try to figure out what is what; some of us will die. Maybe one or two of us will figure it out.

“Welcome to the wonderful world of not knowing what the hell is going on.”—Kate Austen

I love what you said about Jack being sick of lying because the world is coming to an end. This is a great idea. However, I don’t fully understand how the island could be in the future. Could you elaborate on this idea?

would this somehow explain why women cannot give birth on the island?

read this somewhere …. i might explain this wrong so sorry in advance ….. in the orcid video they show a time lapse and now 2 rabbits right say dharma did make a time machine it wouldn’t be very strong …. needing (you guessed it electromagnitism) it would set the time about say 108 minutes … (not to much fun) but reseting the time machine everytime the lapse ends would slowly move it an extra 108 minutes apart from the correct time … so the island would be roughly 14 years in the future (from how long we know the button is being pressed)

i hope that clears up some stuff i will try to find where i found that …. anyway +1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1+1 +1

if jack knows, why didnt he share this with kate? or does she somehow not care it’s going to end? seems odd.

i LOVE the idea of the numbers being a date, though. would fit nicely right alongside the valenzetti equation stuff.

+1

Hi I’m not really understanding the island in the future thing, could someone maybe explain it?

Here is what I think, but am probably totally wrong:

The island is in the future, so Jack has to time travel to the past to get off the island? If he time travels to the past can he just not time travel to the future to get back to the island?

Thanks for your help

Woah!

I like the theory of the numbers tranlating to a date but you might be looking at it all wrong. If you have ever gotten somthing with a date from other parts of the world they put the year first unlike the standard for the USA example you say 4-08-15 meaning April 8, 2015 for the future but what about 04-08-15 meaning August 15, 2004 in the past. Does that date ring a bell with anyone?

Good idea, I stuck with MollyCocktail’s interpretation and - tipped off by vegarover’s comment about it possibly being 1915/1815/… - came up with an interesting event: the “biggest volcanic eruption in modern history”, on an island called Sumbawa. I’m not fully convinced by my own entailing theory :)

http://lost-theories.com/theories/2008/may/08/could-island-be-sumbawa-could-/

but this is just to show that your interpretation is a very good starting point for further research. +1

I like the idea that the numbers point to a time and date. +1

04:08:15:16:23:42 Military/International sequence for August 15, 2004 @ 4:23.42pm either Zulu (Greenwich Mean) or perhaps Local Time. The time Oceanic “08:15” went down. Since many easter eggs have multiple meanings, I wander the # of midsection and tailsection survivors, “others,” etc.

U ARE A freaking GENIUS !!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE YOU!!

“August 15, 2004 @ 4:23.42pm either Zulu (Greenwich Mean) or perhaps Local Time. The time Oceanic “08:15” went down.”

i thought the plane went down the same date as the pilot episode. September 22, 2004?

August 15th is Walt’s Birthday i think thats what the guy was originally referring to. awful bad luck to see the world end on your birthday huh?

Excellent theory there was a lot of speculation that the numbers had some sort of date or time. Well done.

very good theory.i am very excited right now.dont know what to say. didnt expect such a good explanation.excellent job!!!!!!!! keep writing. : )

Wouldn’t the island being in the future also explain why the doctor from the freighter washed up on the shore before he was killed?

And good work Molly, I like this one a lot.

Actually, I did come up with this theory a while back and posted it here. Sorry to burst your bubble - but obviously, I agree with your thoughts! :)

Here’s the link to my original:

http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2006/jun/08/numbers-and-valenzetti-equatio/

I’m not buying that ‘the world is going to end’ thing. The numbers could mean a date, but also it could mean something else… Like a bank account or something like that.. Maybe the numbers have to do something with the money that Miles asked from Ben in 4th serial. I don’t know why 3.2 million, but maybe Hurley’s bad luck numbers are a bank account! Also, I don’t think the world end is the reason why Jack wants to go back to the island so badly. He just feels frustrated and bad because of the people he left behind. If you ask me, either all of them was to be rescued or none…

I am skeptical of your theory because there is absolutely no evidence that this is indeed what jack is sick of lyeing about, we already know hes sick of lyeing about the others because he wants to go back there to save them,jack isnt the kind of person who would leave someone behind but he was forced to when the island dissapeared.

I think you could be on to something here. I mean Hugo used those numbers to win the lottery and it turned his life into hell. Along with that guy who was in the mental institution with him. They are very unlucky so to speak. So it the numbers are some sort of curse or doomsday kind of thing could that be a sign as to why all of those things happened to hugo? idk

isn’t jack sick of lying to the whole world about the details of the crash?

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