The Sundra Trench holds water, but the deception didn’t.
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By TheLostmap
- The Sundra Trench holds water, but the deception didn’t.
- Created: Apr 27, 2008
- Last updated: Sep 20, 2008
- After episode: 4.9: The Shape of Things to Come
- Status: Current
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Why is Widmore having nightmares? Because his ploy to deceive the world has unraveled.
— TheLostmap
In Iraq, when Sayid confronts Ben about spying on him during Nadia’s funeral precession, Ben brings up Widmore’s name. He says to Sayid,” You remember the name Charles Widmore, don’t you? The man who tried to convince the world that your plane was on the bottom of the Ocean?”
He used the phrase ‘the man who tried to convince the world’ as opposed to ‘the man who convinced the world’.
I never understood how you could reconcile the Oceanic 6 with the Sundra Trench deception.
How could six people survive a plane crash where the plane is relatively intact lying four miles deep on the ocean floor?
I guess the answer is that you don’t. The Oceanic Six must have brought the deception to light, and then the investigations begin. This is probably where we are, when Ben enters Widmore’s bedroom.
I don’t think Ben was able to leave the Island directly after Alex’s death, so this is probably the first time he was able to confront Widmore on Alex’s death. In the interim, the Oceanic 6 made it back to the mainland, and the deception was revealed.
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ben | Benjamin Linus | 3.20, 4.9, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 | 1819 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4.9 | The Shape of Things to Come | 4-24-2008 | Ben | 280 |
Key events
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Oceanic Flight 815 crashes | 1.1 | 603 |
Key locations
| Theme | Relevant Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|
| Flash-Forward: Off-Island | 4.9, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 | 230 |
The meeting with Widmore definitely takes place a bit after Alex’s death on the island as Ben’s face doesn’t look like someone’s been walking on it.
Theoryman, now that I think of it, Ben does mention to Widmore that he has been in Iraq recently (his tanned face), so this may be just after he spoke with Sayid, or late 2005.
From what I understood about the flash forward (and all flash forwards in lost) though they cut between “present” and “flash forward” they are always in sequence. Ben goes to find Sayid, then goes to Widmore. IF and thats a big IF it is teleportation, from one point in the world to another and time travel, it is safe to assume that when Ben arrives in Oct. 2005 to find Sayid and Widmore, it is Oct. 2005 on the island. So it would be about 10 months after Alex’s death. Though I can’t explain why he waited so long.
Thank You TheLostmap. Once Jack said “it crash landed on the island” during the trial, we knew that the hoax plane would be revealed. +1
I brought this up a long, long time ago but it wasn’t very well recieved. Why? I don’t know. Maybe now it can get the recognition it deserves.
http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/23/cover-oceanic-815/
+1 from me and Irocz +1 for you on the other thread.
I do not think the “Interpol is going after fake plane hoaxers” plays well into the plans of Lost writers. I think the info on that will be gradually revealed in the background of main events. Tidbit on background TV screen here, a wink in a conversation there “remember the scandal with the sundra plane”?
Maybe the huge paparazzi hubbub around the O6 is another clue that the hoax was made public. If they were just 6 crash survivors, they’d be forgotten fairly quickly by the media. But if they were key figures in the greatest disaster hoax in history, the press frenzy would never end until the “whole story” was out.
I personally don’t think the survival of the Ocenaic 6 uncovers the hoax plane and exposes Widmore. I think that there is some sort of story that the O6 have been told to tell to keep people thinking the wreckage they found in the trench was that of the 815 flight. This is also backed up by the lies in the Court room when Kate was on trial and coversation Jack and Hurely had when Hurely was back in the nut house! When Hurely tells Jack about that black dude who came to see him Jack asks Hurely something along the lines of ‘have you said anything?’.
I think that when the O6 get off the Island all the other people Claire, Jin, Locke etc are kept as kind of hostages to make sure the O6 keep to the story they have been made to tell.