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you know what, i never saw season 1. ive just ordered it on dvd. however, for anyone having played the rather short Lost: Via Domus game, there is a man, who wakes up in the middle of the jungle…like jack. i dont want to spoil the end, but the end changes and he does not wake up in the jungle. The game, gave you slight info about what was going on in season 4, but this theory is very good. It links in with many things from the game and the show based on time.

however it has just occured to me, if this is true, that he has been there before, why would he wish to get back, to then get everyone rescused all over again? is it that Jack gets rescued along with the rest of oceanic 6, but wants to go back to try and get everyone rescued?

its not a bad theory. i like it!

True-It’s probably not Jack’s first time on the island. I totally agree! +1

I’m not too sure that Jack having a bottle of alcohol in his pocket implies that he knew the plane was going to crash. I don’t think the producers are hiding anything here, Jack was simply being resourceful in a time of panic.

I think that the clue in the pilot is obvious its that he was miles away from everyone else. I just cant figure out what that means

Yeah, I’m with DSD… similar theories have made their way through here before.

There are two alternatives, probably more. One: Jack has been there before and deliberately asked for more alcohol in preparation for the crash. Two: he was going to need alcohol in his role of doctor seeing to victims so the producers explained our cry of ‘how comes he’s got alcohol in his pocket?’ with the little scene on the plane.

In my theory Flashbacks vs. Flashforwards I suggested Jack returns to the island repeatedly.

An interesting link to someone else’s theory about Jack watches Rose the whole time they crash: (if you do a search on ‘Jack’s eyes’ you’ll find this post) remember in the flash-forward he says he hopes to crash again, not caring about the other passengers on the plane- on this plane, this time at least- Jack cares very much about the other passengers- Rose and the survivors on the beach.

The scene with Jack waking up in the jungle is a little odd, but he doesn’t seem to recognise Kate or anyone else. I dont think he would remember where he could find a sewing kit, but not remember any of the other passengers. He also didn’t know where to find fresh water until led there by his dead dad, I would have thought this would be far more important than the alcohol and sewing kit.

He had a miniature bottle of alcohol because he ordered 2 bottles from the stewardess shortly before the crash and he drank 1 of them.

when the hatch imploded, eko, desmon and locke were miles away from the hatch and seemingly each other. they have no idea how they got there (cept desmond perhaps). What if the same thing happened with jack and plane exploding? it seems illogical that jack would be the only one that fell out of a crashing plane in the middle of the jungle, when he wasnt surrounded by any major debris.

I don’t get this. Are you saying Jack has been to the Island before, and remembers doing so? Really? Because if you are, I am not convinced. He’s been on the Island before, re-lived the events and so decided not to bother saving Joanna when she drowned, or prevent Boone from heading out with Locke, or picking Ethan out as a traitor in their midst or… Well, you get the idea.

And, to cap it all, Jack’s wonderful preservation plan this next time around on the Island was to keep the bottle of vodka an air hostess sneakily gave him? That was a plan?

If Jack has been on the Island before (and let’s be clear, that’s a massive ‘if’) he sure doesn’t remember it.

I have to say i agree with you here i think Jack is the clue in the pilot

THS- how is it “obvious” that Jack is miles away from the other survivors at the beginning of ‘Pilot’? Just wondering…

dont forget vincent finds jack right away, that can be a clue too

Both Jack and Hurley say something about “not letting this happen again.” Jack says it in regards to Ethan taking Charlie and Claire, and Hurley says it in regards to the hatch. While it’s easy to assume alternate meanings for this phrase, I find it odd that the characters themselves never quite disambiguate their meanings.

i thought “the clue” appeared within the first season, not neccesarily the first pilot episode. if it is within the first season, my guess (as others have already said) that its Adam and Eve. However, I do agree that jack has been on the island before. He is too cool, too reactive, too casual with kate. He may just not know he’s been there before. All of his actions result from his memory and sub conscious.

I don’t know why but I feel like the first episode is in fact the last episode also.

Angelo and the other sceptics, I realise my theory (like every other) has its fair share of holes. I just think its too much of a coincidence the way Jack runs for the plane. Maybe he doesn’t remember who Kate or the others are because of a bump on the head or because of the affect going on and off the island has on a person, or maybe he lets on he doesn’t know who they are as to not to freak them all out. The last thing they need to hear upon crashing on a desert island is that there is a guy there who knows them all and is reliving this ‘nightmare’ for the second time.

Admittedly i could be hitting the ball way out of left field with this one but it is the only thing which really occurs to me when watching the pilot episode.

Just a small idea: the small bottles of alcohol on the plane have a multiple function in the plot.

Firstly, they give us insight into Jack’s state of mind (he is shaken by his father’s death- whose coffin is on the plane-we don’t know this at that point but it sets up that all is not perfect with Jack), secondly these bottles are props in treating wounds later. Thirdly, the tiny bottle sets up the idea very quickly that these characters are going to be dependent on the plane’s cargo for a while. Those tiny alcohol bottles are iconic of being on a plane. They help us identify readily with the characters- those of us who have air-travelled instantly recognise how we could be in their vulnerable position, we could be lost. That pilot episode is very effective in doing this and this is an important feature of disaster movies generally (I teach Film Studies and am currently teaching ‘the ‘disaster movie’ genre).

And the reason Jack is in the jungle and not with the others initially? I think to confuse, intrigue and hook us as an audience from the opening image. The beginning opens out from a tiny detail (an eye) to a face, a jungle, a dog (now we know something strange is afoot-a labrador in a tropical jungle?) to a short run to a beach where we at last get a bigger picture and some of our initial questions are answered: there’s been a plane crash- there’s wreckage and other survivors.

Of course there could be a future revelation about why Jack is not on the beach with the others but the main reason is probably to single him out as an important character and give us a focus.

smokessmokes, played the lost game by any chance? because what you said reminded me of it. the fact the game was released in time for season 4, suggests that what the game does, is give you a clue as to whats going on.

This is quite a reach. The extra bottle was given to him by the flight attendant and he just happened to pocket it.

Then you would have to ask about Bernard, being in the tree when the tail section crashed in the water. And what about the bodies in the lake where the Marshall’s case was found, how did they get there. And the coffin, how did that get near the location of the caves?

So the Jack situation would be more unique if all the rest of the survivors were deposited on the beach. But it seems there were at least some that ended up inland.

Stitch

Got me thinking….+1

well its kinda obvious that jack leaves the island in seanson 4 and that some how he will get back to the island before the show ends. so that would mean he crashed the first time. got off. crashed again with kate sawyer and the rest, got off again. and will now in the future get to the island a 3rd time. i doubt that. how is it that he doesnt meet ben or the others or the monsters the first time. there is no clue in the pilot episode. check out podcat 4/16/07. they said all the mysterious brought up have been solved except charlies “Where are we?”. so where the hell you guys got that there is a pilot clue, i would love to know.

Could Jack be doing a Desmond.

Jack from the end of Series 4, as he leaves the island, doing a mind shift back to the start of Series 1 as he arrives on the island ? +1

jack shepard father was the clue

JacksEyes…I love it!!! That would make so much sense!

There are some very odd things about Jack but I don’t thik the bottle in his pocket is a big deal. I also think that StitchExp626 stated things pretty clearly regarding the fact that Jack was in the jungle while other survivors were at the beach. People and plane parts were strewn all over the island so Jack not being part of the cluster means nothing. He was sitting next to the window so it’s very possible that he was pulled to the side while Rose was more sheltered by sitting in the center section. Sorry I don’t think his being alone is all that big of a clue.

However having said that, the fact that Jack disappeared for a brief time when he, Kate and Charlie encounter the smoke monster on their trip back from the cockpit does seem like a clue. If you remember, the three of them are running from the wreckage having just seen the pilot killed. Kate runs to the jungle, Charlie falls and it appears that smokie is about to get him when Jack appears and seems to distract the monster. Jack isn’t seen again for some time. Mean while Charlie and Kate meet up in the jungle and both are badly shaken. After a time jack reappears saying something to the effect of ‘the monster just left’. This is a bit strange and his reaction to all of it is even weirder. Kate and Charlie are clearly shaken by what has happened but Jack seems very calm.

I agree with lostinthewoods. The clue/easter egg in the pilot episode was the pair of white tennis shoes hanging from the tree as Jack walks to the beach for the first time. Those are the same shoes we see Christian Shephard wear on the island. Combine that with the mobisode/”Missing Pieces” episode where Christian sends Vincent to wake up Jack saying, “He has work to do”. Christian always said that Jack was a “great man” and all of Jack’s actions on the island prove his dad was correct.

I agree with you! I think Jack has been there before… now whether it is a loop or not I don’t know but the pilot episode is very important. Check out my theory (if u wanna) http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2008/feb/02/question-about-woman-jack-save/ I think Jack’s tatoo is very important and that he may be having flashes like Desmond. I think that the show will wnd the way it began… with a plane crashing. +1 from me!!

oops spelled tattoo wrong..sorry

I think in one of the very first episodes, it shows jack, on flight 815, asking the stewardess for another bottle of alcohol, but I’m not exactly sure, but good observations.

I do not think Jack has been to the island before. When he awakens in the jungle and he walks to the beach isn’t that where Kate is walking along…so she wasn’t in the cluster of people either not to mention all the wreckage and stuff mentioned above. Jack can run to the crash because there is a large jet engine still running so he can hear that and runs toward the sound. I also agree that the bottle of alcohol was simply to show how resourceful Jack is in a crisis. In the first several episodes Jack is continually calm and resourceful—I think it was just a way for the writers to give us a sense that Jack is the leader, he can control the situation and he is the one who can save them all. We know that has been challenged almost since day one by Locke, Sawyer, Ben, etc. But because we all saw those first few days and how Jack handled the crisis we want to believe we can still rely on good ‘ol Jack to save them all. I certainly hope that time-looping is not involved, it would completely ruin the show for me.

Yeah, I agree with Cheereyes. I don’t want Lost to turn into a show like heroes Heroes… with the time variable always around.