Smoke monster and Ben
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By Jacob
- Smoke monster and Ben
- Created: Apr 13, 2008
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 4.6: The Other Woman
- Status: Current
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She must know more than we do about the smoke monster (she knew the sonic fence would stop it), and perhaps who controls it.
— Jacob
Juliet seemed to be rather unsurprised by the sudden appearance and even more sudden disappearance of Harper in the rain, in the jungle.
This observation is based on the theory that the monster manifests itself into people plucked from personal vulnerabilities and weaknesses of the person seeing the manifestation.
at the end of the episode, Juliet tells Jack that Ben told her to stop Charlotte and Faraday (from going to the tempest). she said Ben knew where they were going, and how to get to her…not the smoke monster
She must know more than we do about the smoke monster (she knew the sonic fence would stop it), and perhaps who controls it.
Is it possible that Ben was using the monster to get juliet to do his bidding? and if so, how can he control it from imprisonment.
and i know, i know…. Jack saw it too. but i entreat you to rewatch the scene, and mark the moment of complicity that Harper(monster) shares with Juliet, as Jack enters from behind. It almost reminded me of the way ben looks at juliet when she accuses Ben of wanting Goodwin to get killed.
This led me to remember Yemi(monster) saying to Eko, ” you speak to me as if i’m your brother”
then i re watched the the harper/juliet/jack scene and harper almost sounded like Ben, rather than herself.
is it possible that ben can use the monster to speak through these manifestations?
I mean why was she so certain that Ben told her what to do? she avoids Jack’s question of “how could he tell you”, and moves onto to how Ben will win.
I think this is evidence of Ben being in control of the monster.
Key characters
| Short Name | Full Name | Episodes | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|
| Juliet | Juliet Burke | 3.7, 3.16, 4.6 | 344 |
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4.6 | The Other Woman | 3-6-2008 | Juliet | 47 |
Its also been said there is an escape door in the Holding Cell that Ben was residing in during that episode.. so anything is possible for the most part. I think Ben has alot more control over the island then what we’ve seen already and he always has the best interest of the island in mind.
It’s just like the flight attendant in the Episode “The Brig” She’s just so accepting of the fact that they’re following Ben, and Mentions that everyone is “excited” that John has finally arrived. So whether Ben’s done the Karl Brainwashing Scene to everyone they’ve taken from the Tail Section. Or Ben is the real deal ie Prophet.
I agree that there is way more to that scene than I have heard anyone really discuss. Mainly, how unfazed by the appearance and disappearance of “Harper.” Not sure what it all means, but there is definitely a BIG clue in to Ben’s power in that scene.
+1 by the way!
If we could be certain that Harper was actually Smokey, I’d say we could then be certain that Ben controls Smokey. But it seemed to me that she was the real Harper, although no explanation for her mysterious arrival and departure. I agree that scene opened up a lot of questions and several (and possibly more to come) possible explanations. And even if Harper was not Smokey, it still gives Ben a long reach and a lot of power.
I can’t remember where I read this, but I recall reading that Darlton had stated Harper was alive, and we would see more of her in the future.
As far as I know, the Black Smoke human incarnations (if, indeed, it is the Black Smoke manifesting as people) have only ever been the forms of the deceased.
ah…. but is Harper deceased? we haven’t seen her whole story.
This would also suggest that C Shepherd is dead?? not too sure about the spider theory now though. +1
Also i think the biggest clue to Ben being in touch with Smokie is the fact that when he took Locke to see Jacobs cabin the episode was entitled ” The behind the IRON curtain”. I think this is a metaphor for the Black Smoke (A kind of Ironised electromagnetic curtain) I rest my case, nuff said!
Hi, NotSoLost has pointed out something that has been haunting me… The flyight attendant (Cindy I think), as you pointed out was very excited about stuff. Wasn’t she kidnapped? It seems to me that she would probably be a prisoner, of the others, rather than a member who knows stuff, and takes a walk to the Temple. But she is shown as one of them! Is there anything else behind that???
Cindy was on the list.
At first, I was of the opinion that Harper was a manifestation for a number of reasons. 1.) the whispers, 2.) she suddenly appeared and suddenly disappeared. But when Jack saw Harper as well I didn’t know what to think so I remain undecided.
Though the fact that Ben is just where he wants to be leads me to think Ben does, of course, have some control over something without his immediate presence having to be there, but saying he controls Smokey is a premature guess at this point for me. All the same, I’m expecting him to have some control over Smokey in the long run, iffin we see that Smokey was man-made.
I have to say though, the whispers…. and no human could make an exit like that…. Unless perhaps there was a trap door ( or vent).
Greta points!+1 (same to you AC:))
I also thought it sounded alittle like Ben when Harper told Jack that maybe he could take that gun of his and help. It just sounded a little snotty , the way ben almost always talks to Jack. +1 Jackofalltrades I don’t think it has anything to do with the U.S.S.R :)
Doesn’t BEn say in “The OTher WOmen” that Ethan was making a Case of Mr. Eko and Ana Lucia to join their “community”?
Therefore, Ben used the Monster to evaluate Mr. Eko and deemed him to not be worthy……….and interestingly enough, Ana Lucia was killed too….
……strange indeed
If we assume that Harper = Smoke Monster then there’s another point people are overlooking. The Smoke Monster seems to manifest itself in forms that remind people of deeds which cause them guilt and shame and fear. The Smoke Monster would know about Juliet’s fear of Ben and about her guilt. Juliet feels guilty that she underestimated Ben’s ruthlessness and power when she continued sleeping with Goodwin. Juliet feels her underestimating Ben led to Goodwin’s death. The Smoke Monster used this fear and guilt to give Juliet a story she would believe - that despite being imprisoned, Ben still had absolute control over the happenings on the island. I don’t know why the Smoke Monster would want Juliet to kill Faraday and Lewis, but I do know that a good way to convince her would be to use her fear of Ben. Ben doesn’t control the Smoke Monster, the Smoke Monster used Juliet’s fear of Ben to convince her to do it’s bidding.
so, DC… you’re saying that the smoke monster wanted Faraday and Charlotte not to stop the poisonous gas? that the monster, on it’s OWN accord wanted everyone on the island to die?
I don’t know for sure, but it does make sense. Several of people’s visions have lured them towards their deaths or near deaths: Christian leading Jack off a cliff, Dave tempting Hurley to jump off a cliff, Yemi leading Eko to his death, Locke’s visions leading him to convince Boone to climb into the plane which resulted in Boone’s death, Walt leading Shannon towards Ana Lucia and her itchy trigger finger…the only tame vision that could be linked to the Smoke Monster seems to be Kate’s horse.
so, the smoke monster was leading Juliet to her death, by getting her to try and stop C. and F.?? by suggesting Jack and his gun go too, by your reasoning, it wanted jack to die?
why was juliet so sure that “Ben” told her do go?
I am unsure about the intentions of the Smoke Monster. I can only say that many of the visions that people have had on the island that many people attribute to the Smoke Monster has led them into perilous situations. My only point was that it could be possible that Juliet was so sure that Ben told her to go and kill Faraday and Lewis because thats exactly what she wants to believe. If you wanted to manipulate Juliet Burke into doing something, your best chance would be to tell her that Ben told her to do it because of Juliet’s fear of Ben and her guilt associated with Goodwin’s death. Its the same concept with Locke and “the island”. All you have to do is convince Locke that the island wants him to do something and he automatically does it. I think the same could hold true for Juliet and Ben.