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Thats for takin the kid off the raft

— wtfsignmeup

Jamtay1s theory on good guys got me thinking about possible justification for some of the Losties killing.

There has been quite a bit of debate on this board and others about the killing of Tom…That Sawyer did it out of revenge because he was shot on the raft.

I think that Sawyer did the only reasonable thing by killing him.

The first time Sawyer encounters Tom,they are out in the ocean in the middle of the night. Tom arrives,shoots Sawyer and takes Walt.

They blow up the raft and leave Jin,Sawyer and Michael for dead in the middle of the ocean.

Sawyer then sees his friend, Mike, go through the mental anguish of having his son Waaaaalt! taken.

The next time he encounters “Mr Friendly”, he has a gun to Kates head.

Tom takes all the guns(protection)that the losties have and tells them the only reason they are living is because he and the Others let them live(on the island).

By the time Sawyer sees Tom again,he knows that due to the Others manipulations Michael has resorted to murder and betrayed his friends to get his son back.

He’s then put in a cage,tortured, mentally and physically,and eventually escapes death,thanks to Jack and Juliette.

The next and last time he sees Tom,is when he goes back to the camp with Juliette.He knows the Others were coming for the pregnant women and Kate has just told him she might be pregnant.

What is he going to do?call the cops?

I think he did the only reasonable thing. What do youall think ?

Key characters

Short Name Full Name Episodes Theories
Jack Jack Shephard 1.1, 1.5, 2.11, 1.11, 1.16, 1.20, 3.9, 3.22, 3.1, 4.10, 4.12, & 3” href=”/episodes/theres-no-place-home-parts-2-3/”>4.13 1459
Jin Jin-Soo Kwon 3.2, 2.16, 1.6, 1.17, 1.23, 3.18 268
Michael Michael Dawson 2.22, 1.14, 4.8 301
Sawyer James “Sawyer” Ford 3.4, 2.3, 2.6, 2.13, 1.16, 3.10 455

Key episodes

# Title Aired Central character Theories
3.22 Through The Looking Glass 5-23-2007 Jack 1252
3.4 Every Man for Himself 10-25-2006 Sawyer 96
2.11 The Hunting Party 1-18-2006 Jack 70
2.2 Adrift 9-28-2005 Walt 80

Key events

Theme Relevant Episodes Theories
Jack and Kate go out to “the line” 2.19 94
Jack, Kate, and Sawyer captured 2.23, 3.1 204
Michael and Walt released 2.23 290

Comments

  1. dabiatchishere Sep 27, 2007 8:20 p.m. Comment: 1

    WTF: I agree with your assessment! Sawyer, was justified in killing Tom, for the reasons you stated!

    I think he did so, more because of Walt, than what was done to himself, though! +1

    Good stuff!

  2. wtfsignmeup Sep 27, 2007 8:31 p.m. Comment: 2

    Thanks dab and kat…I agree he killed Tom because of Walt and not what was done to himself -also because he knows what Tom was capable of.

  3. dabiatchishere Sep 27, 2007 8:34 p.m. Comment: 3

    Yeah, Kat Juliette is a tough read! Cold as ice, that one!

    You are right about that WTF. Tom was a man who strictly followed orders, and capable of ruthlessness.

  4. ProfOzone Sep 27, 2007 8:50 p.m. Comment: 4

    Interesting.

    But, as a prisoner, Tom could have been valuable…

  5. dabiatchishere Sep 27, 2007 8:53 p.m. Comment: 5

    Proffie: I doubt he would have cracked. He seemed like a tough old bird!

  6. wtfsignmeup Sep 27, 2007 8:58 p.m. Comment: 6

    Not worth the risk Prof.

  7. wtfsignmeup Sep 27, 2007 9:01 p.m. Comment: 7

    Tom was sorry that they couldnt kill Jin,Bernard and Sayid.He sounded like he was ready to take matters into his own hands.Remember that Sawyer really didnt see the Mr Friendly side of Tom at all.

  8. INHABITANT_42 Sep 27, 2007 10:15 p.m. Comment: 8

    i agree more because of Walt he did say thats “that’s for taking the boy.” meaning Walt.

  9. mrssawyer Sep 28, 2007 2:06 a.m. Comment: 9

    Yep I agree. I’ve said before I think Sawyer was justified.

    Hurley: ‘Dude he surrendered’

    Sawyer: ‘I didn’t believe him’

  10. YouAllEverybody Sep 28, 2007 7:51 a.m. Comment: 10

    Good post. This might sound a bit weird, but I was actually glad to see Sawyer kill Tom. WE knew Tom was a good guy deep down, but what did Sawyer have to go by? In his mind Tom was a murderer, kidnapper, liar, and torturer. It was great to finally see one of the Losties get some balls and not put up with the Others bullsh!#. The Others have looked down on the Losties for the entire series with a creepy arrogance to ‘em….i’m glad Sawyer put one of them in their place, even if it had to be Tom.

  11. jamtay1 Sep 28, 2007 7:55 a.m. Comment: 11

    Hi WTF +1 from me. I agree that from Sawyers perspective killing Tom was probably the right and maybe even the most honorable thing to do. However what do we know about mr friendly? His past might account for some of his actions. What if he has been Benipulated in to doing what he has done? Could Ben have used him like he did Juliet? Now the biggy if in the future we find a sympathetic side to Mr Friendlys past does that alter our views towards Sawyer killing him?

  12. tree_sneakers Sep 28, 2007 8:05 a.m. Comment: 12

    Why was Sawyer so attached to Walt? Sawyer does not seem to have any conscience unless the island has awakened it. This is the same guy who had relations with Anna-Lucia right after fighting with her. The guy would go at it with anyone who gives him the time of day. he killed Tom because Tom was gay. I have said that before.

    Why don;t the Losties EVER ask questions of these folks before they blow them away?

  13. YouAllEverybody Sep 28, 2007 8:32 a.m. Comment: 13

    Sawyer shows a conscience in one of his flashbacks when he leaves a con-job because he was tearing apart a family (when he sees a little boy that reminds him of himself). I’ve always thought Sawyer was a good guy deep down, and I think the rest of Losties were figuring that out, too. I think he still has the potential to be a heroic character, and judging from how much fans around the world love him on the show, I think the writers will be disappointing a ton of people if they don’t give him at least a sort-of-happy ending.

  14. mrssawyer Sep 28, 2007 9:20 a.m. Comment: 14

    TreeSneakers there is no way Sawyer killed Tom because he was gay. We don’t even know Tom was gay!

  15. JediRedeye Sep 28, 2007 11:27 p.m. Comment: 15

    F in A he was right to shoot him wtf!!! I would have I agree with all that you stated above. What is this about Sawyer not having a conscience? ok so maybe his morals are a little skewed but he did leave the con job because of the kid. He also took his cut of the 10 mil, that the fat little weasel in prison stole, and set it up for his daughter. Now that Anthony Cooper is dead he actually can get his “new start” that the Island is supposed to offer. His killing of Tom was justified. I mean you had to know that Sawyer would be the one to take care of Tom anyway, he even said so himself ” you and me, we ain’t done Zeke”

  16. karmavore Sep 29, 2007 2:11 p.m. Comment: 16

    Well, it turns out I’m a contrarian on this one. Even if it truly was a “war” with the Others, Tom was captured. For Sawyer to shoot him in cold blood was simply unjustifiable. It was perhaps understandable, but also reprehensible.

    Remember, there are two sides, “one light, the other dark”. I expect to find that Sawyer joins the latter.

  17. INHABITANT_42 Sep 29, 2007 6:21 p.m. Comment: 17

    lol i always suspected Mr. Friendly to be gay … lol… a little to Friendly.

    Tom to Kate: “Your not my type.”

  18. lockeko Sep 30, 2007 9:10 a.m. Comment: 18

    sawyer was right to shoot him, I would’ve in that same situation

  19. Nickee Sep 30, 2007 11:15 p.m. Comment: 19

    Awesome post WTF:) I agree completely!!

  20. wtfsignmeup Oct 1, 2007 12:48 a.m. Comment: 20

    Thanks Nickee and thanks for commenting with your negative,Karmavore :)

    It looks like a lot more people disagree with the post judging by the negs but i stand by it .

  21. WillsDad Oct 1, 2007 10:02 p.m. Comment: 21

    Sawyer did exactly the right thing for exactly the right reason.

    1. People don’t make up lies in the heat of the moment, and at the end of all the fighting Sawyer shoots Tom and says what’s on his mind: “That’s for taking the kid off the boat.”

    2. The Losties are not equipped with cages and aquariums. What is the alternate plan? Tie Tom up forever?

    3. Was Tom ever going to stop being a threat to the Losties?

    Given that Tom was never going to be safe to have around, and given that there was no way to neutralize him (e.g. jail him), there just don’t seem to have been any options. And, on top of it all, the death penalty seems a reasonable punishment for aggravated kidnapping. Hell, if it had been my son he’d taken, Tom would count it a blessing to die so quickly.

  22. WillsDad Oct 1, 2007 10:04 p.m. Comment: 22

    BTW, that’s a +1 from me.

  23. wtfsignmeup Oct 1, 2007 10:14 p.m. Comment: 23

    Thank you WillsDad and excellent points.

  24. kittykat030984 Oct 8, 2007 11:15 a.m. Comment: 24

    I agree totally - he did it as there were a million and one things that Tom did that p1ssed Sawyer off, along with a lot of the other Losties.

    And don’t forget he held a gun to Kate’s head, personally I think that Sawyer has big feelings for Kate so he might have said ‘that’s for taking the boy’ but I’m sure there were other things running around in his head that he wanted revenge for.