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+1 interesting theory.

karmavore,

Excellent ideas; I know it’s been discussed before that Libby may have been “Dharma,” but I like the idea she was working for Widmore even better. If she was with Widmore, she must have been just as surprised as anyone that the plane crashed - I’m sure that’s not exactly what she bargained for! +1

Hmm…why then would she use the same name if she was “undercover” ?? In the hospital, meeting Desmond and Hurley, on the Island - all Libby. Wouldn’t she have at least lied about her name once as a cover? Good theory anyway! +1

karmavore: +1 Loved the theory, agree with alice, but Hex stole my question!!

SInce the last episode I’ve thought that Widmore was Dharma, trying to reclaim what was lost by the Purge. This would explain how Penny’s had so much luck finding anomalies and communicating with the Looking Glass. She might have tripped across some clues thanks to being Widmore’s daughter. This theory jives with that. +1

Good suggestions, all. I of course don’t know for sure if this theory is absolutely correct or not, but I’ll defend it like I’m religiously bound to it, all the same, you know, just for kicks.

@katrina: If Libby were an investigator, she would have already been told about the numbers, and would have known that Leonard was babbling them. Then, she would know that Hurley played them and won the lottery. Then, she would know that Hurley was doing the same investigation she was — looking into the numbers. She was on the plane following him. No, I don’t think she expected it to crash into the place she was looking for. :)

I personally don’t buy the “Cindy and the Pilot knew where they were going” theory. My reasoning isn’t too good, though. I figure if those two (Cindy and Pilot) were in kahootz, they would either both be “good people” or “bad ones”. But the pilot got smoke-monstered, and Cindy got selected as a good one. Besides, the pilot was explaining the 1,000 miles off course stuff, trying to help. He just didn’t seem deceptive to me.

As for Cindy and Libby being aligned, I don’t see the connection. So I say that their relationship is just “tail section losties” and no more. Otherwise, it would have come out in “The Other 48 Days”, right?

Hex and Annie have made the more difficult question. If she’s undercover, why does she keep using her own name? Well, I’m going to flail my arms around at this one a little bit, and I hope if the writers use the Libby-is-Detective idea, they come up with a better explanation.

We’ve only really seen Libby in three places: on the beach, giving Desmond a boat, and in Santa Rosa.

On the beach makes perfect sense, since she registered for the flight as herself, she either has to maintain her name because she knows there’s a manifest, or better yet, she sees no reason to lie about it.

When giving Desmond a boat, she uses the name on the back to create a plausible back story. Her real name was on the back of the boat because Widmore has to make giving boats away look legitimate. He gives it to Libby to give to Desmond. He has to use Libby’s real name to keep from looking suspicious. A stretch, I know.

To get planted in Santa Clara, she needs a valid social security number. Or something. What do I know? :) It could be anything really, including the fact that there’s no reason to use an alias when spying on Leonard.

But now I’m really going to blow your mind… How do you know that Elizabeth/Libby is actually her real name? We’ve never seen anyone close to her use it.

Here’s an ancillary question to the Libby mystery: How is it that Desmond, the only person who could recognize Libby from elsewhere, always just managed to miss bumping into her?

Recall: Locke opened the Hatch before the “Collision”, and Desmond promptly ran off. Libby and the other Losties arrive. Libby is killed and buried. Desmond comes back! These two are always just missing each other. Is this something the writers need to do to keep their storyline from blowing up prematurely? Or is there some reason related to the mythology, e.g., the universe is supposed to keep them apart, that we need to figure out?

I’ve just posted a lot when I should really be in bed. Therefore, I’m +1ing myself. :)

Hey Katrina, what are the eyebrow-raising things in “The Other 48 Days” and “…and Found”?

Hmmm, I suppose that she could have very well suspected that Desmond was there, if she were told that the man she gave the boat to was lost at sea. She wouldn’t know, though, where he was lost, and if he did find the island, she wouldn’t suspect he would have survived the abductions/apparitions. That’s an aspect of the theory I hadn’t considered.

It sounds meaningful that she was hired by Widmore. Maybe she got to the hospital to learn more about the island from the guy who was repetaing the numbers all the time (oops forgot his name…seems like he’s got a history on the island). She was not mentally sick, was just pretending.

The problem I have with this is that it requires that Widmore knew about Leonard and his babbling of the numbers. Charles Widmore heads an international corporation based in Scotland. How would he know about a guy in a mental institute in California that babbles numbers seemingly at random? He would have to have the foresight to hire people around the world to “watch” for signs of the numbers…. or tales of a mysterious island etc. It just doesn’t make sense that he would learn of Leonard’s presence in the hospital and send Libby under cover as a mental patient to investigate.

I respectfully disagree, Jukin. Remember, those numbers were being broadcast from the radio tower before Rousseau changed the recording. Also, we know that there are “bad guys” looking to get to the Island. It’s completely reasonable to assume that these bad guys know about the numbers. If so, they would look for clues of people using them, and they would have found Leonard. (“Enough money and determination..”, remember. It doesn’t apply to just Pen.)

The only leap I’m really making here is that Widmore is one of the bad guys looking for the island. And it’s not a big leap. Remember the polar bear painting in his office?

And for the record, I think this theory “makes sense”. But even if I grant you that it doesn’t, I don’t think that rules it out as a part of Lost. Does a future-vision-having Scot makes sense? A smokey apparition that takes human and feline form while judging people’s pasts? A French woman with an Eastern European accent? The button? The magic box? The 4-toed statue of a foot?

There’s quite a bit here that doesn’t make sense, and if you think that my theory doesn’t, either, then I suggest that this makes it more likely to be part of Lost, and not less. :) :) :)

karmavore you’re right that the less it makes sense the more likely it is to be true on this show!! I still don’t see how Widmore would have known about Leonard though. The ramblings of the insane … someone would have to sort through the gibberish and realize that Leonard was actually repeating something of significance. They would have to have someone at every mental facility who was looking for signs like this. Unless of course there is another connection to Santa Rosa that we haven’t seen yet… hmmm that wouldn’t surprise me at all and it would certainly make your theory not only viable - but very likely! I guess we’ll find out at some point over the next 3 years! +1 nonetheless!!

karma, what I like about your theory is the idea that Libby in the mental hospital was a plant. I’m not sure I agree that the affiliation is with Widmore though. Without trying to assign affiliations, I would say that there have been a number of people who seem to have roles like Mrs. Hawking and Libby seems like one of them. (Christian I think is another.) If you do a search on fate-benders I remember that tharde had a theory about these people. Anyway—the main opposition between these people who are acting as guides is, I think, the main emotion they play on in order to guide others. Mrs. Hawking uses fear and it’s noteable that she uses a very similar phrase to Ben’s remark to Jack about “every single person dying”—I know either kat or Prof drew attention to this similarity awhile ago. Because we see Libby acting as a guide to Hurley in the same episode that his fear is being played upon by Dave (whatever Dave is), she seems to me to represent a different kind of guide—one who operates on love and connection to others (so maybe she actually is a psychologist). Widmore played on Desmond’s fear—his fear that he was a coward. So that’s why I don’t see Libby working for Widmore.

Re: Cindy and Libby in “The Other 48 days” these were the two oddities I noticed:

Cindy: says she has a good name for faces and doesn’t remember Nathan being on the plane. Yet she never says she doesn’t remember Goodwin. Says the same thing the Pilot said about being 2 hours off course (loss of hope).

Libby: tells Ana Lucia that Nathan creeps her out. And once he’s in the pit says that the Others haven’t come since Nathan’s imprisonment.

Karma: Nice thoughts! I am not sure that I would agree, though. I think the writers have stated, that the characters having met prior to their arrival on “the island”, has more to do with synchronicity than anything else. And, we know that to be true, with how the other losties have crossed paths in the past.

How is Leonard supposed to know the numbers? Do people think he was on the island before? Perhaps Widmore knew this and got some people to interigate him and the numbers and remembering the island drove him insane (like the numbers almost did with Hurley a couple of times)? That would be why he’s in the mental institution and Libby could be there to keep an eye on him and check no-one else finds out the numbers but once Hurley uses them, she has to follow him. I like the theory about the boat race being Widmore’s way of finding the island but wouldn’t he have some kind of communication with all of the contestants in case they did find the island? Although this could have been there, it may have just got destroyed. +1 for an interesting theory, i was so dissapointed when Libby got killed right after we saw her in the mental institution!

I must say I don’t buy the theory that Libby’s being in Santa Rosa is plant. You remember that episode with Dave and Hurley in the hospital and when Libby shows up? Well, if she was meant to be there by Widmore, how come she looked little bit crazy…? You know what I mean.. If her presence there was plant only to discover about the island, I think she could have been a little more ‘normal’ than others in that place.. And I assume that she had to look plausible and everything, but she didn’t seem very ‘planted’ there to me…

Also, I admit that Widmore was interested in finding the island, but what do numbers have to do anything with the island being found? Leonard was mumbling the numbers, and yes, Widmore could have known that he had something to do with the island. But he couldn’t have known what those numbers mean or do they actually have something to do with the island…

I believe there is a possibility that Libby worked for Widmore. But I think that was looong after she was situated in Santa Rosa. Maybe Widmore got her out of there and then she started working for him.. Anyway, it’s better for her to have worked for Widmore than for Ben..

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