Why Smokie Kills people
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By DharmaSpy
- Why Smokie Kills people
- Created: Sep 7, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 14, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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So Smokie kills people, and at the moment it seems like at random.
But i dont think it is!
The losties are trapped in this time zone, other existince what ever you want to call it. The thing is, they shouldn’t actually be there, they should have died in a plane crash, so they are on what you might call “borrowed time”
Now, Smokie, with its God coplex knows this and feels it must cease their existince because they should have died.
So, Smokie chooses at what point they should die on the island…how i hear you ask, by waiting until they reach a significant point in their life where they may have found some sort of redemption or significant point in their life which Smokie uses as a point to kill them.
Confused, let me give you some examples:
Boone - obssessed with his sister, in love with her, finnally gets over it and makes peace with it to be able to get on wit his life, he dies
Eko: comes to terms with the fact that although he has been a bad person, the reasons were for good to protect hjis brother, he dies
Shannon: Finnaly realises someone whill love her (sayid) for who she is, she dies
Ana Lucia: Get over the fact she cant kill someone anymore, repents for what she had done before, she dies
Pilot: May have felt responsible for flight 815 crashing, finds out that his passengers are still alive, feels better about it, he dies
Locke: is needed by the island to protect it, see’s somehting beautiful when he looks into it
Now, i know not all of these were killed by smokie, but the island and smokie i think are one and the same, and all the events, every little thing that happens i belive is being ocherstated by the island/ smokie,
what do you think
By the way, first post, first theory, be gentle
Hey DharmaSpy, welcome and good first post. I respectfully disagree. I think Cerebus (my preferred name for Smokey in keeping with the Mythological theme) is controlled by someone on the island - I point the finger at Richard Alpert.
Cerebus is many things: a security system, a thought form, an enforcer, an intelligence gatherer, and possibly a memory modifier.
I’m betting Cerebus spends most of its time in the elaborate underground tunnel system. It is probably the guard dog for the Temple.
I agree with you that when it kills, it is definitely NOT random. Its all part of a design.
Hey Dharma Spy not a bad first theory at all. If I may give you a little tip, I’m not sure if you intended all your reasons to be listed as a quote but if you do want to change it you can stick it in the ‘body’ section of the theory page - just click edit to um edit it :-)
I liked the reasons you gave for the deaths of the Losties so far. My only question is how does the island’s healing power play in to this? It seems to be at odds with the killing. Seemingly the island has healed Locke, Rose, Naomi and others yet it also choses to kill some. What do you think will happen to the people who it has healed?
+1 from me
stip,
we have no proof of any underground tunnels, richard alpert wont be playing a big part anymore in lost as he is now signed to another show - see carlton cuse comments, the security system is labelled rom dannielle who has been proven a liar, bias as i am, i do think i am closer to the amrk here on this, but please continue the debate!
mrssawer, thanks, good questions back, i think it heals people who the island needs for whatever reason, charlie didnt die when ethan strung him up because the island needed him to disable the underwater beacon, being the only musician he was the only one who could do it
remember, the course correction comment from flashes before your eyes
I also respectfully disagree but I also disagree (respectfully of course) with Stip. I don’t think the Smokeys are controlled by anyone and I don’t think that they feel like all the Losties should die (I say Smokeys, because i’m sure there is more than one).
I always believed the Smokeys are additional entities that have their own agenda. Check my post about it : http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/aug/31/what-if-there-no-smokey-smokie/
Also.. Ana Lucia was killed by Michael. So you’re saying that the Island made Michael kill Ana Lucia? And did the Island make Ana Lucia kill Shannon?
Ah now xiv those were two quite different scenarios to my mind. I think you could say the island made Ana kill Shannon because it was the strange whispers that made Ana trigger happy…..
As for Michael well I think he was acting independantly of the island which also seems possible as Jack seems to do this a lot.
mrssawyer: you could say that yes about Shannon, but so you agree that some deaths, like Ana Lucia’s & Libby are not a result from Smokey or the Island.
Also Nikki & Paulo?
Good points MrsS.
DS: well, we do have certain indicators pointing to Cerebus using tunnels to get around the island:
an underground tunnel network and CV vents are mentioned on the blast door map
whenever Cerebus appears, it is often preceded by an explosion emanating from the ground as if it is blowing a hole in the surface creating a new CV vent
what Alpert did was done before he signed on to a new TV show. They could easily find a replacement for him since he is most likely acting as a front man for Widemore - the point was that someone is trying to oust Ben as leader of the Others and using Cerebus to eliminate potential candidates
xiv I think its possible the island is picking people off AND the Losties/Others are doing it to themselves at the same time.
all the events that transpire on the island do so because of the island -its called fate, fate i strrongly linked into course correction, think flashes before your eyes or even final destination - tghe losties should have al died, and so they island/ smokie is helping that happen, all ther circumstances, libby walking in at the wrong time, michael acting under the pressure of getting his son safe when we saw him struggle with the copncept that walt was now his sole responsability and here they are stuck on an island etc etc
stip
alpert recruited ben, why would he want him out
therewas no explosion when eko saw it for the first time, or when locke saw it on its own, or when it attached juliette and kate, there was the horn noise but no explosion
Good post and comments. I tend to agree with xiv.
DS: Good point. Alpert originally thought Ben was his man. But over time, Ben… changed, or lost sight of their mission. I suggest Ben is consumed with trying to become reacquainted with Annie and/or solve the pregnancy problem and Alpert has recognized that Ben is no longer focused on whatever the “bigger picture” is.
That’s why Alpert helped Locke with the inside information about Sawyer&Cooper. Alpert wanted Locke to pass Ben’s “vanquish thy father” test.
ok, so just clarify what you think he is again for me
also, pleae bear in mind everyone that the producers have catergorically gone on record saying that a big element of this programme is about redmeption of the characters - i think this ties in to my theory
Maybe if smokie dies, so will the people that have been cured, like a videogame where if you revieve someone and you die, they bleed out!
How can it pick stuff up and kill?? Its Smoke??
I also read that it is made up of a number of smokies that guard entrances to vortices around the globe.
E.g. When it attacks/scares Juliet at the Sonic Fence, it departs in to the jungle. If you look closely it departs of into Three Parts! Which could suggest that it is made up of a number of smokie/genie type entities.
Plus in the PILOT. In the beach shot looking at the jungle it uproots trees in the, almost pulling them down underground. At first i thought it to be a Robot as no animal can cause that much destruction in one foul swoop.
Some good points made pal +1 from me
First of all, you guys should check out my poll. Lots of good ideas here I’d love to see on my page: http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/nov/10/not-theory-poll/
Dharmaspy: Congrats on your first post. Note that when you are typing, and a word has a red underline, it is a warning that you have misspelled a word. Paying attention to those warnings (11, not counting names and “losties”) and taking appropriate action will make your posts more lucid and easier to read. After all, that’s why you took the time to post, right? You wanted people to read it.
And, I think you are confusing smokie with the show’s creators and producers. Smokie had nothing to do with most of the deaths you mentioned. In fact, I think smokie only killed two people.
The writers and producers on the other hand, DO kill off people when their story is finished. Which makes sense. I’ve heard them say that the reason they killed Charlie is that they had told his story. What was left for him to do? Get hooked on drugs again and kick the habit again? We had already seen that. We had reached the end of his arc.
And Ana-Lucia, well she died because…the actress who played her couldn’t stay sober. Oh, and we all HATED HER. (Did she deliver even one line without a sneer on her face?)
SatanicVortex: that’s a “fell swoop.”
Stip: how can Ben get reacquainted with Annie. Isn’t she dead? Or am I thinking of somebody else?