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Prof: I think Desmond was mistaken. The one difficulty with prophecy is that it doesn’t take into consideration the element of human choice which can change the outcome of a situation.

Precisely my thinking, dab. Well, and I like the notion that perhaps when he offered to go in Charlie’s place he was actually figuring something profound out and not just feeling guilty for lying to Charlie.

But… with this show one’s always got to acknowledge the other possibilities. :-)

I definitely think that Desmond is hiding something or is confused about his most recent flash. It seemed to me that he offered a little too easy to take Charlie’s place before Charlie rendered him unconcious..lol (That was a hell of a hit….the greatest!!). I think that there is a possibility that maybe Desmond really was supposed to take Charlie’s place somehow, and by Charlie knocking Desmond out and going anyway changed fate somehow.

I agree that Richard was about to ask if Locke saw Jacob. He must know that Jacob is invisible maybe he was the one who introduced Ben to Jacob as a test. Maybe he wants to know if Locke passed the test. I believe he is going to go look for Locke after Ben said “he had an accident”

Marvin I agree with you that Desmond is hiding something, maybe he decided to go down after recieving another flash. I wonder how this will change things

Yeah, marvin. Maybe that is exactly what was supposed to happen. You never know! And, that was my point. We the viewers were not given the opportunity to see what Desmond’s vision was this time around, so maybe we will learn more about his vision and his motives and if it changed the outcome some how.

Prof: I, like you am giving Des the benefit of the doubt, that he was attempting to figure out something profound at the last moment, because he didn’t want Charlie to die.

i feel des to be a bit like john the baptist annointing those to begin their paths to virtue i.e. charlie. he has this spiritual claravoiance like a prophet due to his incident, also they ritualized his baptism into the hands of fate on a boat in the water another reference to annoning and baptism and john the basptst. if des is conning it is for ben or by or taught by ben… look at the con he used claire and aaron he two most connected to charlie in his story he ugs on his emotions and plays to his pride in being a hero for them, knowing this is exactly what to do, i.e. richard to locke, ben to juliete, juliete to jack now des to charlie if so

I hear ya, adam. I just think the show was taking Desmond a different direction… it would be quite a turn-about, in my thinking, for them to have Desmond con Charlie by making up the whole rescue routine.

But the show did open up that possibility with how Desmond lied about having flashes to begin with, then acted very strange afterward (even more than usual! :-), as if the reason he’d lied was to buy him time to figure out just what he’d tell Charlie… and just what he wouldn’t tell him.

I can’t recall the exact flow of the episode, but did Desmond say about the button, before they found out about the Looking Glass?

If not, he could have manouvered Charlie down there to prevent him going the way of Prof. Arzt…

Charlie dies/drowns after turning the switch and after Mikhail hurls a grenade and blows up the hatch. or at least that’s what I’m hearing. I thik Desmond’s flash’s are correct and can only be influenced by his doings and not others.

No one seems to ask the question, “Why is Desmond always having flashes about Charlie and no one else?”

Why is he so important?

And why didn’t Charlie run into Desmond on the street corner? Does this confirm the multiple timeline scenario? Or does a greater debate about the flow of time need to be discussed?

because charlie is the “hiccup” as it may be in time that won’t go away. he was supposed to die all those times before but Desmond couldn’t bring himself to do it. and each time he’s cheated death, the future/past has changed in someway. The only reason Desmond let’s Charlie die this time is because he see’s himself seeing Pen in the flash and because he’s figured out that death is just another doorway you go through in life and that charlie must pass through it eventually and that he will be alright in the end. from what I hear, they see Pen on a monitor in the hatch and she knows nothing of Naomi. stay tuned…..

Matt: I don’t think the performance we saw in last night’s episode was the same time and place as when Desmond ran into Charlie. Although it did rain in both instances.

I’d go back and check that Prof. It’s way too similar to that scene not to have been I think. the whole set-up seemed staged by someone. the perfect ego boost for charlie when he needed it the most. and to who’s advantage? Desmond’s. Did Des, manipulate the scene, based on his flashback, in order to give Charlie the kick he needed to be the “HERO”? Twice last night, Charlie was called a “hero” - chance? I think not Brother.

I did check it. Four times. :-) But of course I can’t compare it to the “Flashes Before Your Eyes” episode because I don’t have that one recorded or anything. It just doesn’t seem like the same time and place to me. Anyone who has better info, I’m anxious to see it. If it can be proved to be the same time and place, I think there are interesting implications in the fact that we don’t see Desmond at all.

I’m just taking a shot in the dark here, but after it started raining in that flashback, Desmond and Charlie separated once the rain began, so it’s plausible it happened after their encounter, but don’t know for sure. If it was another day, it wouldn’t be al that surprising, because it rains so frequently in England.

Well, the thing is, Desmond was talking to Charlie AFTER he finished the song and BEFORE it rained. (Charlie was getting donations and compliments from the people who had been listening and Desmond predicted the rain… at least, that’s how I recall it happening.)

Great theories as always. A few points from my view.

1. It has been my guess that since Richard was seen in Ben’s flashback as being very close to the age he is now, that he was in contact with “Jacob” before Ben got there. Communing with “Jacob” offers extended life. Either that or the life extention serum that hanso developed. So Richard knows Jacob, and seeing how it seems that Rich doesn’t agree with Ben’s tactics, it’s a safe guess that Rich knows Jacob is in danger. He just can’t do anything solo, without revealing his broken loyalty.

2. As soon as Alex’s boyfriend took off for the outrigger, I got a gut feeling that she would be the one to rescue Locke. Many are saying it will be Walt, or Richard. The logic to me, points to the girl who is already away from camp, and knows that Locke “had an accident”

3. It has always been obvious to me that Des flashes are exactly that, and he mostly tells them like he sees them. Alot of people on here and other sites, seem to think he gets a mental email complete with timelines, and an action item list. This simply isn’t so. I concede the point of the flash that leads to the discovery of Naomi. Unless the beginning of that Ep, was just for the viewing audience and Des really didn’t see the entire conversation that led up to the arrow into Charlie’s throat. Desmond sees glimpses, he sees fractions of events. I believe completely that he saw Charlie in the room, he described the switch and the yellow light fairly clearly, but then that flash is replaced with Charlie flipping it, then yet another interrupts that one with Charlie drowning. Desmond saw those things in just a few seconds. But just as we don’t know, he probably doesn’t know exactly how long that flash will take to complete itself in real time. Think about it. Could be two or three hours in between the time that Charlie sees that switch and the moment he actually gets to flip it. And then it could be another day and a half before he drowns. Desmond only knows what he sees, a random, yet chronological sequence of events.

3.5 Also Desmond is a human, and a decent man lets not forget that. So when he sees a death, and he is in a position to prevent it, he will try. Just like discovering Naomi, he wanted to let Charlie die, to find Penny. But he couldn’t let himself do that. So in each and every flash he’s had he has altered it, by saving Charlie. So what he saw did not nessassarily come true. But I think that he did see Claire and Aaron get on a helicopter, and that the only way that would happen was if Charlie died. If he saves Charlie again, he dreads that the chopper will never come.

Valid points, tv. You could be right.

I don’t think Desmond is mistaken…i’ve already said this, but i think he sees things it bits and peices, and maybe not nessessarily in proper order. I still think that there’s a good change Charlie will die after he flips the switch. Otherwise, all of Desmonds flashes have been for nothing — they have been building tension up to nothing. If he doesn’t die — what does that mean? How many similar situations will arise where Charlie is supposed to die? Who would want to live like that?

I think too that Desmond is lying about the helicopter rescuing Clair and Aaron. We’ve seen all of Desmond’s flashes… why did the writers hide this one to us??? well, that’s because only the part of Charlie dying was true.

Both options are possible, cc and latengoyo… I guess we’ll just have to wait and see…

Thanks, kat! I didn’t think so…