Everybody stay calm…
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By ProfOzone
- Everybody stay calm…
- Created: May 16, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 13, 2008
- After episode: 3.21: Greatest Hits
- Status: Current
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As I’m sure many of us expected, the 5/16 episode was mostly logistical maneuvering to get us ready for the two-hour finale.
— ProfOzone
As I’m sure many of us expected, the 5/16 episode was mostly logistical maneuvering to get us ready for the two-hour finale. For some of you who expected perhaps Richard or Alex would come to John’s aid, the episode provided some challenges. For those of you who figured out that Danielle was probably getting dynamite to help the folks on the beach… good job! Here are a few other things I think we know (and don’t know!)…
John is most likely still lying in the pit. If anyone is available to help him, I’m not sure who it is other than Jacob from a distance (although I’ll note that I didn’t happen to see Tom at the camp when Ben returned… he might have been there, though).
Richard demonstrates even further how “not on board” he is. Questioning Ben’s order, pointing out that Juliet might not be ready when he could just as easily have figured out that taking all of the women is as good as sneaking in and only taking a few… at least, he’d have figured that out if kidnapping pregnant women was all he cared about. He clearly didn’t want the mission to proceed early, and I doubt this was just in consideration to Juliet’s “known” mission. Perhaps he and Juliet have formed an alliance and he knows what she is up to. If so, he’d naturally not want her plans to be interrupted by a surprise attack.
As has always been true, Ben may or may not be a step ahead of everyone. We’ve never even known for certain that Juliet HAS turned on Ben, and we still don’t know. The webs of cross and double-cross are very complex and I’m not even convinced they’ll be untangled by the end of the finale.
Desmond’s flashes were wrong. Or he lied about them. I’m going with “wrong”. His last flashes showed Charlie both dying AND living. To me, the fact that Charlie didn’t drown in the way Desmond thought he would is just more proof that Desmond sees a version of the future, not THE future, which throws into question the validity of “jewelry store lady’s” assertion that the future is set and there’s nothing that can be done about it.
We know nothing more about Naomi, really.
The people in the underwater station could be anyone at this point. Perhaps after Naomi disappeared some team from Penny’s outfit was able to infiltrate the station with scuba gear, drain it, and now they’re going to give Charlie a hard time about their missing pilot. Or perhaps these people are from an entirely different group. Who knows? If they ARE Penny’s people, though, then Desmond was right… he WAS getting visions of Charlie’s death for a reason and he WAS supposed to go into the station instead of Charlie.
The biggest question for me… why is it whenever Charlie sings that song it starts to rain? :-)
All of this could still go a dozen different ways, I think.
And that’s OK. :-) So breathe… go on… nice and deep through your nose…aaaand… slowly out through your mouth. There you go… :-)
Ahhh, the voice of reason. Thank you.
my guess is that locke is alive and that ….Walt saves him. I’ve heard that Walt was seen during the last week of filming. I also think that some of them have been here before. Notice when Jack said to Kate “here we go again”. It was as if it was an inside joke between the two and sounded like they had been in the moment before. I think Jack and Kate know more than we know. I’m also thinking that perhaps the flash backs aren’t really flash “backs” but possibly flash “forwards”. Ever notice how when they do some flash backs they show how far back in time they’ve gone? but on the flash “backs” off the island they never show times?
You’re right about Richard not seeming to be on board with an early attack and agree with you about Juliette. I still don’t trust her. You are also right about the flashbacks Desmond has, not always being right, which reminds me, that personal choice can change the outcome of events. The one thing I noted about Naomi was the look on her face when Jack told the group that going up to the radio tower, and flipping the switch at the Looking Glass station at the same time was imperative. She appeared antzy. I believe that Naomi was stationed there and is not part of a rescue mission. We will see in the future with her. As usual, great post!
To me, tonight’s episode could have been condensed into 10 minutes of air time. I find the flashbacks are becoming increasingly irrelevant, and are being used as filler devices for the writers. A new hatch? Who cares at this point? Charlie NOT dying, no big surprise considering the inflated buildup. Whether or not it is positioning itself for the big finale, this epiosode was mediocre. So much wasted time.
about the station being filled with water and pennys people infiltrating it. the only reason to think it was filed with water was because juliet said she heard that from ben. well… both juliet and ben are pathological liars. ben could have made that up for his own purposes, and so could have juliet. also notice all the lights and equipment was on and working in the underwater station? if it had been flooded, it would be pretty hard to get it working again on short notice by someone, especially electrical equipment, and how could anyone enter that station if it is close to the beach as it seems? a few people could come and go, but not large numbers. no, i think those people have been there a while, but who are they? i dont know.
Prof..u stay on point and I love ur posts. I think that Charlie will live. I also beleive that Juliette AND Jack may be up to something shady. I soooo dont trust Jack anymore. This episode sucked I thought. It did answer one of my questions. I know why Danielle was looking for dynamite now. I really did think this episode would be more exciting though. Looking foward to next week:+)
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In the scenes from the finale, it shows the yellow button, or switch that Charlie is supposed to push. I don’t think Desmond’s vision is nessessarily “wrong” or even a “version” of the future. It could be that it’s just in bits and peices. Charlie may still flip the switch and drown — but things obviously happen in between entering the Looking Glass, and flipping the switch.
Come on…some of the comments here are pretending to be guesses when there are spoiler sites naming the whole season finale. No pretend guessing on flash forwards and Walt sightings. Goofd Post Professor
Just saying: The moon pool portion of the looking glass was always said to be free of water—that’s what a moon pool is. Similarly to the way air pressure keeps air in a cup if you push the cup open-end-down into water. The moon pool is a dry dock for subs. It was the rest of the station that was said to be flooded. Maybe some of it still is. (The part without the Charlie’s Angels.)
I do not think that guy in the promo for next week is Locke. I think he’s a bald Other grunt (one of the “10 best men”).
What happened to Sayid in the Others camp? Big blind spot.
Charlie singing Wonderwall and it starts rainging: It goes back to the episode “Flash Before Your Eyes”, lets all remember how Desmond walked outside, saw Charlie on the corner singing, recognized him and then it began to rain shortly after.
If I missed it in the comments before mine I’m sorry but Desmond did say that Charlie would drown after he flips the switch, not on the way down. He may or may not die.
Great post as always, Prof. I too think the women in the hatch are going to turn out to be connected to Naomi.
For me the big “huh?” moment in last night’s ep. was when Sayid had the map of the station. When and where did that come from?
I agree with several others that Desmond’s vision hasn’t been disproved yet. Have to admit that I got quite teary about Charlie. That is what I liked about this episode. It didn’t do a lot about clearing up mysteries but it reminded me about what I liked about one of the characters.
Sayid got the maps from the Flame Station.
True, Juliet claimed the station was full of water and she lies, but Desmond’s description of his visions suggested it was flooded as well. pabodie: Right, I think we all understand what a moon pool is, and you’re also right in pointing out that it did sort of seem as though it was suggested that that part of the station wasn’t flooded, but then, again, Desmond’s vision seemed to suggest otherwise. It was a bit difficult to know what Charlie should expect. In fact, when he first broke through the surface of the pool, my first thought was, “Oh, OK… so they DID mean that it isn’t flooded where the moon pool is,” but then Charlie’s reaction fairly clearly indicated that he expected the entire station to be flooded.
Circalost: Right… in “Flashes” it also rained when Charlie sang that song. When they showed the scene, I half expected to see Desmond in it, and was a little thrown off when he wasn’t, but then I realized that the performance they were showing was actually a different one, not the one Desmond saw.
Poor Charlie the ex junkie….I was choked up also! My prediction is Des will wake up, swim down to help Charlie just as Charlie is getting ready to be shot by the crazy blond chicks, charlie flips the switch and THEN the station fills with water drowning Charlie.
I think Juliet said it was flooded with water to keep Sayid from trying to get down there and turn off the cloaking device. She’s an OTHER people, and I don’t trust her….still.
excellent question Jaz, I was wondering myself where did Sayid get that map of the looking glass?? Pretty important piece of info to keep to yourself.
No idea about Naomi, except I have a feeling she’s not connected to Penny, maybe to her father. How would Mikhail know about her ship? Obviously she told him in another language~But if she was there to find des, why tell a total stranger that “I’m not alone” and then give him specifics about her ship?? That’s just crazy imo. She had to give the losties the phone and info to keep up the facade of being on their side. Last night’s epi did renew a little faith in Jack for me. I still think he’s associated with the DI/mainland though. Who knows! What about Alex’s statement to Karl before he takes off to warn the losties of attack~How do you know Ben IS my father??
I found it strange that Jack is leading all the survivors straight to Ben and his crew? From the previews, we see Bernard, Sayid, and Jin bound and gaged on their knees….obviously the “ten best men” of Ben’s catches them….and Yet Ben and another group of his people intersect Jack and his on the way to the tower….how would they know Jack was heading there unless someone told him ….perhaps JULIET.
Oh yea, and Jack tells Kate “I love you” ! HAHA all you Kate/Jack haters~Take that! I thought Jack was gonna squirt some when he was saying it. I love lost, last night’s epi wasn’t a waste…just necessary momentum for the finale….
Thanks ProfO for providing an intelligent post we can reply to.
Great post Prof.. Agreed.. Tonights episode seems to confirm the fact, that Richard is definitely not board w/ Ben or his actions…. It seemed to me that during this scene, Ben looked like he was in the middle of a major anxiety attack…like the Mad Hatter, as someone else suggested… and my feeling about Ben saying it was Jacob who wanted to move up the kidnapping.. is that it was a complete lie… Could this scene add some validy to your earlier post? you suggested that Ben may in fact be the captor of Jacob, and is currently using him (Jacob) merely as a figurehead, all the while, calling all the shots… I dunno.. seems very likely after last nights episode… Of course we are still no closer to knowing what Ben is up too.. But it’s a pretty safe bet that it is definitely something…..And as for Ben possibly being ahead of the game…Looked more to me like he may be on the verge of “cracking” .. or desperate even…The gig is just about up for Ben, and he knows it… Writers say there will be 5 deaths in the season finale….maybe this irrational behavior could possibly contribute to his own death.. maybe this is what will trigger the transition of Locke as the other’s leader.. again i dunno.. just a thought.. Your comments on Juliet… agreed…. even w/ the season finale….it don’t think we will be able to say for sure, who’s side she is on….but I’m a gambling woman.. so my bet is that it’s either w/ the other’s… w/ Richard maybe, or like Ben she may have her own agenda..Womans intuition: The girl is sneaky and can’t be trusted.. but who knows….Regarding Desmond’s flash w/ Charlie dying.. We’ve always known that he see’s “pieces” of what’s going to happen.. I agree w/ everyone elsse.. the “flash” simply has not come full circle.. My prediciton is that Charlie will die, just as Desmond saw it…..The Looking Glass.. No idea who these women could be….Honestly, Naomi’s people would have not been my 1st guess…however, someone else around here did suggest that Naomi looked awfully weird, when all the talk about unblocking signals was going on…”ancy” I believe was the word used to described her (Naomi) behavior, and after rewatching the episode.. I’d have to say I agree…So like everything else on Lost.. This too is a possibility…
PLEASE!!!!!!post a capital spoiler prior to saying them even in the comments!!!!!!! I don’t want to read them
kat: Well, for one, Desmond isn’t in the scene. No matter which “reality” one thinks the flashback referred to, Desmond should have been there somewhere. Besides that, in “Flashes” Charlie was able to finish the song before it rained… and it just didn’t look like the same place to me. I’d be interested to know, though, if anyone can confirm that it WAS the same scene. I thought it was at first myself but I’m more and more thinking otherwise.
Nickee: Of course, yes, it still is possible that things will happen as Desmond predicted. But the last flashes we were shown from Desmond were ambiguous, so… I don’t think we can rule out Desmond being flat-out wrong about this one. And, Sayid got the maps from the Flame Station before it was destroyed.
shell: Yes, agreed… sorry folks, I LOVE your comments, but I kind of stop reading when it looks like things about future episodes are being given away. I know, some of you think I’m “anal” about spoilers, but… there it is! :-)
I really enjoyed your post. I am new to this but read your theories on line everyday at work. I was thinking what if the women in the hatch are the pregnant women and they never really died like Juliett believes. What if Ben stashed them there for further testing? Possibly some sort of genetic testing.
And Jack kept referring in pleural when he was talking about the pregnant “women” and marking the “tents.” Do we know for sure that anyone else is pregnant besides Sun? And why did Juilet tell Sun she was sorry she lied to her? Sun looked worried. Lied to her about what, the time of conception?
I just watched the episode again. I think it’s pretty clear that Charlie did not expect to find any place with air when he got there. Jack didn’t expect he would either, calling the trip a “suicide mission”.
It does seem as though Desmond might have known about the women in the station and lied to Charlie about that, or at least he hadn’t gotten a “flash” about them. I guess I’m not sure why he’d lie about it anyway. As has been mentioned by others, it’s still possible for Desmond’s vision to come true, but… I still have a hunch that he was just mistaken.
Also… the scene where he’s singing Wonderwall just doesn’t look like the same place he was in when he ran into Desmond. And, in fact, I can’t spot Desmond anywhere in the scene.
Deb: excellent thought. That would be an interesting twist.
lhuntercmt: I think they assumed that Kate would be taken along with Sun. I’m not sure what other women they suspected might be pregnant. And the lie Juliet was apologizing to Sun about was their trip to the medical station… Juliet sold it to Sun as doing her a favor when, in truth, it was something Ben intended for Juliet to do and then leave a recording.
Thanks Prof!
Prof :Since you just re-watched the episode did you notice anything strange about the woman Charlie saved. She was looking at him strange almost like it was a set up or she was waiting for him. Did anybody else notice that or am I crazy ?!
If you listen to her accent, I thought it might be Nadia, Sayids love.
lhuntercmt: You’re most welcome!
Deb: No, I didn’t notice that. Of course, the woman he helped was Nadia, the woman Sayid has been looking for.
Heh… didn’t see your post, dab… but obviously I’m certain you’re correct.
Your both right, I didnt even realize it was her. Thanks !
well were missing something here. first of all, in all of deses flashes, charlie dies without purpously flinging himself into danger. hes now going by himself, into danger… maybe that means something?