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Jen there are some really pertinent thoughts in this post but I disagree that it is impossible for Kate to be pregnant.

As we know from the last episode (from the whole show really), our perception of time is played with by the use of flashbacks and now flashforwards it would appear. Given that fact, and the fact that so far each series has only covered around a month in duration I would suggest that another three series is plenty of time for Kate to be pregnant without showing.

I also take issue with the fact that no one would want to sleep with her if she was pregnant. Take a hot chick and being pregnant only makes her hotter. She becomes the very essence of womanhood which would tie in with the Adam and Eve theory. It would certainly make her story more interesting!

I think you are probably right that she ‘can’t’ get pregnant though because what with her and Sayer going at it nightly, she would have to be infertile or protected to avoid conceiving.

Good thoughts.

I’m with you on this one, Jen.

I also think that from a writing standpoint, pregnancies would become redundant and over utilized in the story. I think pregnancies play a major role in the plot, but this would be too much.

I agree with Jen on this one, too. I think she may be infertile for what ever reason (tubes tied, etc. IUD would be too risky for TV show)

I totally disagree that pregnancy is the essence of womanhood. If fact, by Kate NOT be preggers might demonstrate the essence of womanhood is not necessarily being a slave to biology but rather the spirit. For example, take florence nightengale…..to me, she embodied the essence of the womanhood MUCH more than some “pregnant hot chick”.

I’m with Kat and Mrs Sawyer, Pregnant women are ace, I think the audience that have grown to love Kate would be stoked if she were pregnant. I don’t think we can dismiss the possibility that she will become pregnant by Sawyer or Jack.

You know, this sort of brings up an interesting point…

Anyone notice how in the pre-finale “special” the producers mentioned Juliet’s interpretation of Jack’s motivation to leave the island (i.e.: Juliet to Kate, “You broke his heart!”) as being something Juliet cooked up, “because she’s a woman”?

Because she’s a woman??

Yes, I too really hope that the testosterone slant to the show has been for some story purpose that will soon run its course… otherwise the sexism on the part of the producers will start to get very difficult to ignore.

(For the record… red-blooded American male, here… Kate IS gorgeous… but for me personally she’s never evolved into an object of sexual desire because her character is so flimsy. Not every man in the world decides on sight whether or not he’d like to sleep with a woman. And yet I suspect Jen’s got a point in some of her speculations along these lines (in terms of how the producers think), which just goes to show that the sexism on the part of the producers may swing both ways.)

man if I were a girl I’d marry that mild mannered, polite gentleman. Sorry Prof but I’d love to rip her kit off and get sweaty on the sand. but kudo’s to you dood for being such a nice guy

Shell: I’ll admit the term ‘pregnant hot chick’ was supposed to be provocative but I stand by its meaning. I’m not for a minute suggesting there aren’t other qualities tied to the idea of being a woman, just that this is one which fits rather well with the themes aleady being explored on the show. Its not like they are conducting experiments on a bunch of saintly nurses after all! :-) As for slave to biology, well I guess I’ve got Stockholm Sydrome then lol.

ProfO: I think there is a definite desire on the part of the producers to examine so-called male and female traits. I predict we WILL see a swing to a feminine perspective. I can imagine the producers making comments like ‘because she’s a woman’ purely for the impact they will have. Like little boys trying to be cheeky.

Em, I agree I didn’t realize we had so many feminists in the house. I’m sure you look at Sawyer and Jack in a completely respect their manhood and the florence nightengale inside them both.

Kat I couldn’t agree more I think Claire, Rose and potentially Kate will play huge parts in the coming 3 season’s and possibly out play the guys who are currently messing things up a little. I think Rose will play a Locke type role but maybe more calm and calculated towards things. Her character reminds me a little of the oracle from the matrix. I think Claire will bind everything together.

Thats why he has you Kat…………………………………

tell you what would be cool if we all had each others MSN Id’s we could talk lost all day real time, Man i would never get any work done.

I’m definitely in agreement with ProfO. Kate is far and away a physically beautiful woman - but emphasis on “physical”. But for me personally, there has never been that sexual attraction. Right off the bat we knew she was not only a bad person (a convict), but a con (she used her partner to get at the bank safty deposit box), and a liar. Granted I wouldn’t have openly advertised that I was an arrested convict being transported back to the states, but our point of view was mainly presented from Jack (esp in season 1) and she was repeatedly hiding things from Jack - not a very appealing trait. At least after developing that trust in Jack, you’d think she’d offer up even a tidbit. But she was more open and honest with Sawyer (during their campfire game of “I never”) that she ever was with Jack, and during season 1 Sawyer was being portrayed as a “bad” person (not only killing someone, but killing the wrong guy).

On the topic of Kate being pregnant, I think it ADDS an element of suspense. Like you implied jen, Sun’s character is expendible, she’s only a side character, so if she dies it’s not a major loss. So imagine if while Kate is pregnant Sun goes into labor and she dies. That’s going to drive Kate’s character to a whole new level. And how ironic will it be if the fertility doctor, Juliette, someone that Kate already dispises because of her relation to Jack, is the very one that solves the pregnancy deaths? How open is Kate to letting Julliete treat her? Keep in mind you also have the love triangle going, because as we see in the flash forward Jack obviously still has feelings for Kate. I think a Kate pregnancy has a thousand times more potential than a Claire pregnancy and a Sun pregnancy combined.

Wow!–I’ve been missing out on the hot topic of the morning!

I had the funniest image flash in my mind at the suggestion that Kate couldn’t get pregnant because it will turn out she had her tubes tied or had an iud: I was picturing Sawyer’s island enhanced little guys stealthily untying those tubes and grinning at each other, or trashing the iud, lol!

Mrs—Stockholm Syndrome! Hah! Don’t we all?!

sleepz—sure I’ll admit that this show has some of the loveliest looking men I’ve ever seen. I remember watching a marathon of Farscape right before the first ep of Lost came on and thinking of the contrast, ‘cause all the alien women on Farscape were gorgeous, but all the alien men were weird and grotesque looking. When Lost came on I remembered thinking, at last, a show that has me in their demographic! However, even though Jack is just as physically attractive as any of the other men, I don’t find him appealing at all. His character flaw of protecting and fixing others makes it seem as if he’d be a very difficult guy to get close to so nope, don’t find Jack sexy.

Not to get too philosophical about such a hot juicy topic—but one of the mediaeval/renaissance terms for sex was “knowing” somone, and if a character is flimsy there’s not much there to know! So yup, seems like Prof is a ladies’ man.

stockholm syndrome….heehee.

very enlightening into the psyche of the posters on this site! Red blooded american woman here…… I actually am MORE attracted to Jack because he has risen above the least common denominator of sexuality. Or maybe because he’s emotionally unavailable….hmm, maybe that’s TMI on me. The attractive quality of sawyer is his sense of humor not his over sexed image. and his hair in his eyes drives me nuts!

yes, shell, and the nicknaming! Something very endearing about naming.

Ah now I could talk about the eye candy all day. Especially the lovely Mr Sawyer. There’s a clue in my name somewhere….

But anyway, I was actually thinking about this thread on my way to pick up my kiddie and I have decided tptb really want us to think Kate might get pregnant, if she isn’t already.

Why do I think this? I think that this is why we saw Sawyer give the money earned from snitching in prison, to his little girl. Think about it. They could have shown Sawyer performing any one of a million redemptive tasks but they chose to show something that indicated Sawyer was a fertile sex-god, um I mean chap.

Of course this doesn’t prove that Kate WILL get pregnant, just that if the clues are to be believed, she could.

Don’t forget about Fred. That little spaz, with his pale “I don’t get out much” complexion, dark circles around his “I stay up too late downloading racy anime” bloodshot eyes, his prominent proboscis, and his general “I’m 38 and still live with my mom” demeanor… why sometimes his hair even falls down into his eyes… all combined to make him a hit with the ladies. Why, I imagine the other women on the island could hardly contain their unbridled lust.

On the “who’s hot” theme, in my general observations with the female members of the group I watch the show with, while they all agree that Sawyer is the eye-candy of the group, every one of them loves Hurley unconditionaly. He’s the one Lostie that everyone (of the women at least) seems to be adamantly against killing off. Now obviously that has nothing to do with his physical appearance. But he’s overall a good guy, he’s caring, honest, friendly and funny. He’s the one that creates the golf corse. Granted people feel sorry for him because Libby died, but everyone still loved him even before Libby was introduced.

ok i didnt read any of the comments cept for dat lst one. how is this about hurley. anyway ye ye thse could happen but the 3rd season only lasted like 3 weeks so hell she could be cus the final three seasons could only last like a month.

steve wrote: ok i didnt read any of the comments cept for dat lst one. how is this about hurley.

LOL. If you won’t read the comments, how can anyone give you an answer? ;-)

Prof are you suggesting that Fred bumps ugly’s with Kate at some point, always the same deal hot chicks with weird looking men damn my luck

profO: the producers absolutely debunked the theory that Fred was adorable. But you’re right, his nonsexuality is very sexy, kinda like john luke picard captain of the starship nonsexual sexy.

BTW, the hair in the eyes drives me nuts in a bad way, like I want him to get a hair cut.

katrina - I would actually agree with that. While the other Losties would be interesting people to know and sit down and have a chat with, the only person I would consider being friends with is Hurley (I’m a guy, a heterosexual guy, so I don’t mean this in a sexy/romantic way at all, lol). Every other (main) character has some personal/personality flaw that makes them “unattractive”. The only thing wrong with Hurley is that the numbers are killing the people around him, but that can’t really be put on him as a person.

Shell, John Luke, nonsexual, I beg to differ!

and speaking of emotionally unavailable, …hello? does Jack still live with his mother? ..nooooo…can’t get much more unavailable than that (unless of course you get captured by aliens, oh wait!), plus look at that schnozz! I think he’s giving Desmond a run for his money!

(If staying up late watching anime (and playing online computer games) makes one unattractive, I am in big big trouble.)

“Dude, I think you’re a cool guy ‘n stuff, but… all your friends are, like… dead, so…”

sleepz: Fred and Kate bump what?? You kids today and your lingo…

shell: the producers also debunk Fred being sexy. Fred is not attractive in any way. He is creepy. How can anybody be attracted to creepy? And, the producers think there might be a haircut in Fred’s near future, but I can’t promise anything on that. How’s that for a spoiler?

Just for the record Jen…every man does not think Kate is extremely sexy! I think she is way to damn skinny…she has no shape at all…and she is not ugly in the face….but If I could choose other actors to have sex with….I would not pick Kate:+)

Thank you, jaz! Finally, somebody who appreciates Fred for the freakshow he really is. :-D

And hey, you really want to be impressed? No prosthetics.

It’s true.

On a different note about gender—I can’t really identify with any of the women on the show, but can identify with some of the men (even though I’ve never done anything as bad as any of them—probably most with Sayid or Sawyer). I’m not sure exactly why that is, but I think the male characters have been given very familiar inner demons to battle. I’m not sure I really understand yet why Kate killed her father—I think it has something to do with fearing that she would become him, which is an intersting story but they haven’t brought that out well yet.

Nickee loves Jack:) Yes i do! I like the take charge type….My daughter overheard me say to someone that I thought Sawyer was attractive in a dirty kind of way~Now everytime she see’s him on TV she says,mom is that the guy you like in a dirty way?

But back to the topic of this thread, I think it’s very possible that Kate is pregnant, and I don’t think she or anyone else is going to be on the island long enough for it to kill her. If I remember correctly Juliette said the women were dying in their second trimester. IF Kate is pregnant, it’s something that has very recently happened(a few weeks).Each season of Lost seems to roughly be around a month of island time, three more season, three more months on the island~She would probably survive. Kate being pregnant could be the wedge that keeps her and Jack apart:(

jazprof……do tell! why do you identify with sayid and sawyer? I would identiy most with Juliette, but my hair isn’t as long Interesting about what you said about producers and what demons they give the women vs men. Since they are both men, maybe the only thing they can think of that would bother a woman are boyfriends and babies!

profOz: why does fred hate himself? Is that why he is abusing his own body with sleep deprivation, etc.? He’s just crying out to be loved. A Claire type woman might just be the trick…..not to be confused with eclaires, that would just make him fat and grouchy

On topic with the thread: Since we see Kate alive off island in the flash forward, we can safely assume that she makes it through a pregnancy if that’s what happens

Off topic: Although I’m closer to Kate’s age than Juliette’s, I think Juliette is physically more attractive/beautiful than Kate. Does that make me a MILFer? LOL :-P

Who says Sawyer’ s goin bareback? He don’t want no island baby. Don’t forget about his stash.

Good points all, and shell I think you might have gotten it right with why the men have more interesting demons to wrestle with than the women. But I’m with jaz in hoping in might turn around.

And about Fred… he doesn’t hate himself… but he wouldn’t object to a Claire type… as long as she was actually from Australia… and as long as he could change his name to Charlie.

Yeah… Fred loves how she says that… “Chahlee”… sigh

katrina…hahaha. so I would put that in the nonsexy, nonsexual catagory which is very different than the nonsexual sexy ones I kinda dig.

Fred….Focus and ask the box to give you what you REALLY want. A clown/dog bank doesn’t keep you warm at night. have courage

official response:

Before I get started, my dear sweet lord! I didn’t realize what an active group this was! But hey, mention sex and everyone gets really interested. Dry philosophical theories just can’t compare with who’s hot and who’s shagging who.

Thanks for responding, everyone. I decided to join this group when my friends started rolling their eyes every time I mentioned Lost. Figured there must be some site out there for obsessed people like me and it looks like I’m in the right place!

Re: Pregnant women are sexier

Um I don’t think so but hey I’m not male so what do I know. However the writers are trying to appeal to the largest segment of American males possible with Kate, and I think that turning her into a human incubator would turn some guys off. And they can’t afford to do that now - not with the delicate ratings. But yes I do agree that she would have to be infertile in some way to avoid getting pregnant with all that fun stuff going on in Sawyer’s tent.

Re: Pregnancies would become redundant

Thank you! There’s only so much we can take of women becoming pregnant. This isn’t the Biology channel. Not every woman on the Island can end up pregnant (at some point or another) or dead or both. The Lost writers are much more creative than that.

Re: It would add suspense

Yeah I guess it would. However allowing Julliette to cure the pregnancy disease after Sun dies, keeping Kate alive, would force the writers to reveal what that was all about. Why the women were dying. And I don’t think that can happen next season. It’s just too big of a secret. Or maybe not. Who knows.

Re: Bareback

I watched those sex scenes pretty carefully (and again on ABC’s website for that matter) and there was no way he put condoms on. So that theory is OUT.

There are two sex scenes we see with Kate and Sawyer: The one in the cage and the one in the tent. The one in the cage could not been done with a condom on. There just isn’t any way. Second, Sawyer hasn’t been that careful where his little guys went in the past. He doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would care.

Another thing: the first time Kate had sex on the Island she didn’t know about the pregnancy deaths. So it would make sense she would take the risk even if she could get pregnant. However why would she continue screwing Sawyer if she knew she could get pregnant?! Either she knows she can’t get pregnant or she has a death wish. And a suicide this twisted would cause an uproar if shown on TV.

Oh and for the record, Sawyer is totally hot. (It’s a good thing my boyfriend doesn’t read this site…)

The magic box doesn’t provide girlfriends or submarines. Just polar bears and cast-iron banks.

And I think Nickee’s right. Just thought I’d throw that in.

I know. I’m being a troublemaker on this tread. Sorry, Jen! I really am a decent fellow once you get to know me…

Good point’s, Jen.

Of course, just looking at Kate’s personality… it makes sense that a woman on the run all the time would take some strong, proactive precautions against pregnancy. Or, at least that makes sense to me.

Oh ProfOzone feel free. I’m smart enough to handle it. ;)

Just so you know, the Polar Bear mystery has been solved - remember? They were brought by the Dharma Initiative to be experimented on. They were kept in the same cages Kate and Sawyer were in during their sexcapade.

Re: polar bears… right, jen… I was just joking around with shell. :-)

But thanks for letting me off the hook. Your smarts are unquestioned, incidentally, but I wouldn’t fault a lack of patience given my antics today!

I just don’t know what came over me. ;-)

Yes, that’s it… I was possessed by the spirit of Sawyer! A state induced by the combined psychic force of the women participating in this discussion!

No wonder I had this intense desire to call one of them “sweet cheeks”.

I’m not saying which one.

o.k., prof o, sweetcheeks comment is like that greek god who threw an apple to the party for the fairest of them all……something like that anyway.

My second day on the site and my theory ends up #2 on the most commented list! I’m really feeling the love. :)

I don’t recall any Dharma/widmore condoms floating around anywhere! I may be wrong! I think Sawyer’s defintely barebackin’, especially in the cage scene. Crbolosan~MILFer, TOO funny, I haven’t heard that in a long time;)

OMG, I was going to say something moderately serious, but then…

It’s the nicknaming thing—gets me every time (no matter who “sweet cheeks” is).

And Prof, I think Desmond says “Chahlee” in a completely swoon-worthy way :)

Fred—about the Aussie girlfriend—talk to the dog—it’s a “trick dog.”

Mrssawyer: “Why do I think this? I think that this is why we saw Sawyer give the money earned from snitching in prison, to his little girl. Think about it. They could have shown Sawyer performing any one of a million redemptive tasks but they chose to show something that indicated Sawyer was a fertile sex-god, um I mean chap. ”

This is an excellent connection, and may be proof that Kate is pregnant. Like you stated, Why show that otherwise? Kind of like ~Why did they show Juliette and Goodwin in bed together? What was that scene even in the show if not to show the possibility of Juliette also being pregnant…

As for whether or not Pregnancy make women sexier ~ Speaking from experience, I didn’t feel too sexy being pregnant. It must be in the eye of the beholder!

Not sure which ep this was… but wasn’t Kate married to a cop (as ‘Monica’ (?)) and left when she discovered that she was pregnant….? Did she terminate? Sometimes termination can leave a woman infertile.

Heh… “trick dog”… that might be important later…

Dang, this is a good debate… both sides are well argued and I’m not sure which way to lean. Perhaps that’s how the writers intended it.

KP- no the preg test when she was married was negative but the idea of her being pregnant didn’t sit well with her……and the idea that she was planning taco night.

Oh right. I thought she had 2 lines…. must get eyes checked! Thanks for that.

Nickee: I’m sure the Sawyer flashback must mean something. And as others have pointed out in the thread he must be riding bareback. Its intersting that Kate took a pg test and it was negative in an earlier ep. Means that she probably doesn’t think she is infertile…. Plus it indicates she wasn’t against trying to settle down. I also think its interesting that the woman who helps Kate finally talk to her Mum is the mother of Sawyers child… Oh and good catch about Juliette and Goodwin. I didn’t think about that!

I loved being pregnant and I think its definitely a sexy time.

Mrs Sawyer I agree sawyers flash back was very very important to the way we perceived him e.g. looking after his sibling. I personally find pregnant women very sexy, pregnant women bloom and just look so healthy, also they have very little to prove pregnancy sorta grounds them and they jut look natural and real, unlike your average run of the mill dressed up bird down the boozer.

I agree—Sawyer’s backstory is designed to connect to the possibility of Kate’s pregnancy, but that there’s nothing to really decide which way the writers are going.

Pregnancy—I must have had some great hormones going ‘cause I felt great almost all the time. Plus which I had these weird super powers, like I could tell when milk was going to turn 3-4 days before non-pregnant people (it smelled bad). And I barely needed a coat in the winter—I was like the human torch. It was that whole becoming not pregnant thing which was really unpleasant.

I will concede that it’s true that since each season lasts a month Kate could be pregnant for quite a few seasons before the condition kills her - or she gets saved or something.

Or after milking the situation for all it’s worth Kate could mix up some herbal potion in the jungle, helped by the French lady that would cause an abortion and avoid dying. However I don’t think the Lost writers would want to get into that sort of thing - not with the political climate in this country being what it is. I mean an abortion to save the mother is still controvercial.

Yes we know that at some point Kate thought she may be pregnant (back when she took the pregnancy test in the flashback) but that “scare” may have inspired her to be more careful in the future and take reliable contraceptive measures.

As I said, the first time around Kate didn’t know that getting pregnant on the Island could kill you but in order to continue having sex with Sawyer she would have to know something we don’t or have a death wish. I mean Sawyer’s hot and all, but sex with him is not worth dying for.

Combine that with everything I said before and I think that is pretty convincing.

jen wrote:

“Re: Pregnant women are sexier Um I don’t think so but hey I’m not male so what do I know. However the writers are trying to appeal to the largest segment of American males possible with Kate, and I think that turning her into a human incubator would turn some guys off.”

For me personally, I don’t neccessarily think pregnant women are sexiER, but I don’t think being pregnant makes a woman automatically less sexy either. If Kate were to get pregnant I wouldn’t be turned off to the show, then again I’m not watching Lost to simply get my jolly’s through watching hot chicks on a beach (Lost is much more valuable than that). Granted Sun’s not showing yet, I think she’s just as beautiful as she’s always been. If fans could vote for a sex scene, my choice of the female half would be Juliette. Not sure who I would vote for for the male partner.

I vote for FRED!!!

Are you kidding? Fred would never disrobe in front of so many Sawyer worshippers. Criminey, that’d be like Simon and Garfunkel taking the stage after Aerosmith.

(Ugh… it just occurred to me that some of the youngsters who post on this site might not even know who I’m talking about…)

the thread that refuses to die :-)

okay ladies, poll question, which would you prefer:

1) a guy who is beautiful in his own eyes? 2) a guy who is beautiful in yours?

Frankly, I’d be much happier to see Simon & Garfunkel ;-) p.s. I think the poll question may in fact be rhetorical, lol.

heh, this thread is like potato chips

For me, a great sex scene is one in which the act is a culmination of the two characters storylines showing an intense and mutual need for the other. In that way the scene in “I Do” was pretty high on the hotness scale because of the circumstance—the threat of imminent death. The scene in “Catch 22” was, in contrast, cold. So right now I can’t even think of any hook-up that I’d vote for.

jazprof: BOTH. Nothing like a confident man that you happen to be attracted to as well. Katrina: the object of your admiration. Sort of like unrequitted love….lasts forever and keeps hope alive.

Kat, great question—I think I would choose the always unbridgeable gap between the two :-)

kate-hmm probably right

hm… i am going to comment on the fact that juliett could be pregnant. that makes total sense to me for some reason. i think that the fact that they showed us the clip of juliett and goodwin could be a good hint of that. if she were pregnant she would be much more likely to go against ben and the others because she knows that they will not be looking to get off the island. the others are looking to stay on the island, and she knows that (as everyone does). She originally is a spy for the others among our lost characters, but while she is there she begins to realize that they could possibly be getting off the island. When she defies Ben and the others by helping Jack and all with the fight back scene, it shows us that she cares more about getting off the island than anything else. She knows how cruel Ben can be, but she doesn’t care. She just wants off. If anyone knows about the consequences of being pregnant on the island… it would be Juliet. BUT here is the catch… Juliet has been on the island for 3 years (i think thats what it was) then that means that she conceived on the island. I am unsure about this part… if the woman conceives the baby on the island they are automatically doomed. I guess Juliett’s only chance would be to possibly have the baby off the island.

Ok first of all, i’m new to this site, so please don’t call me a fool. How are you sure that the writers won’t kill Kate off? I mean, it’s season four. We’re getting closer and closer to the end of the whole thing. Surely a central character’s going to be killed sometime soon? Plus, I don’t know whether this has already been said, but I think Kate was testing Sawyer when she said she wasn’t pregnant, to see what his attitude would be. As soon as she realised he wouldn’t cooperate, she left with efficiency.