Locke Rose and the islands??? healing power
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By sleepz
- Locke Rose and the islands??? healing power
- Created: Jul 19, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 13, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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No matter how many times we do this, we are just destined to mess it up
— sleepz
Thsi theory is based on Mrs sawyers wonderful post on the skeleton with the hole in his head
http://lost-theories.com/theories/2007/jul/13/did-locke-die-previous-time-lo/
This is just a short theory for the guys out there that think the time loop thing is actually possible.
We are currently lead to believe that when Locke and Rose crashed on the island first time round that their conditions were magically cured and this maybe the case.
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The case may be that this is not their first time on the island and they have somehow in a previous loop made a deal with Jacob to get rid of these conditions. This theory is mainly pointed at Locke from here on as we have by far more information on him.
Locke blowing up the flame station and the sub……………. was this part of the deal that was made.
Also in a previous loop could it be possible that when Locke was in the pit and couldn’t move his legs and was unable to get out which after days and days of attempt led him to eventually shoot himself, this time however the decision to take his own life was made quickly because he knew or thought he knew what was to come in the next few days, then good old Walt showed up to help him out. Imagine what Walt may have said to him in the pit “Locke you still have work to do, you haven’t completed the deal you made with Jacob”
If you think about season 1 and 2 and Locke’s strange path it sort of makes sense that he could have made a deal to get the ability to walk back.
Also could Rose or Bernard have been manipulated in a similar way ???
During the loop most of the islanders memories are erased as a result of the loop, so Locke up to this point only knew what he had to do and not why, The only person who is able to see the loop is currently Desmond Although I suspect things are different this time for Jack and Kate. I think they just know things in a weird dajavu sorta way almost like instinctive.
Sorry if this sounds like garbage but I wrote it in a rush as I have a meeting in 5 mins will edit when I get more time
I love the possiblility (even though I’m against the whole time travel/loop/wormhole idea). However, if you assume this theory to be true, this would have to be Locke’s first time on the island, or at least his first time meeting Jacob. 1) He seems to not known who Jacob was (and didn’t even believe he was real), therefore how could he be carrying out Jacob’s will? He would have remembered what Jacob asked him to do but not remember who Jacob is? 2) If he had already struck a deal with Jacob, why would Jacob say “help me”? After blowing up the station and the sub, Jacob would’ve more likely said to Locke “nice job”, or “thank you”.
The only way this theory works is if we are seeing multiple time loops at the same time. I.E. The scene of Locke blowing up the sub would have to be some later “time loop”, while the scene of Locke meeting Jacob would have to have been the first “loop”. While this is perfectly plausible, it would be extremely confusing to go through every single on-island scene and try to determine which scene belongs to which “loop”.
During the loop most of the memories are erased as a result of the loop so Locke up to this point only knew what he had to do and not why, The only person who is able to see the loop is currently Desmond. I think they just know things in a weird dajavu sorta way almost like instinctive. for some reason the implosion of the hatch has given Desmond the ability to remeber the loop or see the loop in clearer pictures than the rest of the group
Sorry sleepz, but to me this creates way too many questions and requires too many assumptions (memory wipe, deal with Jacob, Locke not having memories of anything yet knowing he’s going to kill himself while in the hole, etc.). Good brainstorming, though…I can tell the wheels are turning.
Hey dood no worries… I completely respect your opinion. I know this was written in a rush and I didn’t give it a huge amount of thought it was more a result of a mind tangle with Mrs Sawyer and a couple of other user’s. I’m not offended.
Heh heh, mind tangle sounds dirty ;-)
I agree with your idea of the memory loss. I think there is something whether it be ‘supernatural’ or just coincidental that is causing the timeloops and I think it makes sense that if you actually regressed in time you would have no memories of the future that had been wiped. How could you remember it if it hadn’t happened yet?
I’m not sure about Locke and Rose making a deal of sorts. Mainly because I think they are both intrinsically good characters. I think in a way that is sort of why Rose exists, to show that Locke is definitely good. Not explaining this very well but she embodies kind of a justification of Locke’s faith in the island…
Sleepz,
Good post! I’m not sure Jacob’s the key, but I do favor the “time loop thing” more than most of the other theoies I’ve read. One of the objections of the time loop theory has been, “Well, if they’ve been there before, why don’t they remember!??!” I’ve never understood this objection.
I agree with you and always have about the memory thing. Not remembering anything, or only remembering bits and pieces is how the story is suppose to unfold. It’s even possible that each time they travel through the loop, they leave clues for themselves. They might not recognize the clues as “clues,” but they still use them.
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Okay, the idea of the time loop, as I’ve said before, actually DOES appeal to me, because I just don’t want to think that Jack ends up a suicidal drug-addict. (I don’t like him that much, but he deserves better … by far.)
Anyway, I’d like to buy into the time loop stuff, but it just seems too complicated to me. Like, really, I don’t get what people are proposing here.
Because … I mean, obviously the flashforward was a flashforward. It was post-rescue of Flight 815. Jack talked about needing to “go back.” They’d been there before. They had Golden Tickets or whatever.
He was entirely aware of his past at this point. (So, when exactly would he stop remembering, if he’s supposed to forget at stages of the time loop?)
And people want keep referring to the flashforward as a flashback as basis for the time loop theory, and I don’t see how that’s plausible. Am I supposed to think that only Jack, Desmond, Kate and Locke (and maybe Rose , Claire, Sawyer, Hurley and Charlie) have been to the island before? Or has everyone been there before?
If ALL the passenger of 815 had crashed and been stranded together before, how excatly was it coordinated for a second go-round? I mean, wouldn’t an airline be a little weirded out if the survivors of a freak-accident all booked a flight together?
And if this time loop theory is meant to consider the flashforward as a flashforward … then, f*ck, I’m just totally confused. Could someone give me a step-by-step explanation? Like, the major points, and how it could have unfolded, and what’s pertinent info that supports this theory?
Thanks.