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I don’t think they are random facts, possibly points to their location. I just don’t know where that is either.

Prof, how nice of you to remember Ben on his birthday.

The way you put the facts altogether like that make me realize they can’t be random. They’re more like pieces of a really big puzzle that we’re looking at backwards or sideways and with one or two pieces missing!

Merry Christmas, Prof and a very Happy New Year!!!

Yeah I agree with ozzig—I think they do all add up to something, I’m just not sure what, especially as I never do well with the time-zone, daylight, which direction were they flying theories.

But here are my very random responses:

Daylight/Where are They—Naomi reports the plane crashed off of Bali which is Northwest, suggesting direction reported by pilot is wrong or a lie—if they did crash in fact near Bali would that explain still being in daylight? If one of the problems is that Bali is too close and they are supposed to have been flying for 8 hours—maybe there’s is some kind of globe or force field the plane entered and then was trapped and flying chaotically some time before crashing. Would fit with what happened when Des tried to leave.

Crash on Fall equinox—Astrologically Libra—the scales, plus day and night balanced. A time of balance as healing. Balance of energies is one of the main ideas behind healing practices in things like realignment of chakra.

Winter Solstice—time of lowest energy and a time of imbalance—appropriate for Ben’s birth?

Astrologically Capricorn—the goat. Was a sacrifice necessary in order for the healing to occur at this time. Many holiday rituals at this time involved slaughtering animals (as they might not make it through winter anyway)—scapegoats—Cooper?

Japanese Holiday of Amaterasu in which the Sun is tricked into seeing herself in a mirror and returning. Beginning of “The Glass Ballerina”—Sun sees herself in mirror. In D.O.C. Sun sees herself in another way (through ultrasound).

Carl & Alex make up the constellation they call the teddy bear which to me didn’t mean that the classic ones don’t exist—always assumed that was Ursus Minor.

Happy Birthday Ben! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFpldDsMjk

These coincidences have been noted before. I just dearly hope that in the end they prove to have no causal relationship. We live in a modern, scientific (Kansas excluded) society and we know there is no “magic” associated with equinoxes and solstices.

I hope the producers do not try to make the sun’s traversing earth’s equator some kind of mystical event. That would just ruin it for me. I’m hoping it is just some red herrings left out to make us crazy.

Nice catch on the timing of the extraordinary healings, though.

I was just brushing up on my LOST dates and came across the date that the purge occurred. Although the exact year isn’t known, the month, day, and time are… December 22nd, 4:00 PM (probably in 1986 or 87).

ooo—a little more digging and I found some other interesting winter solstice connections to Ben.

I think this one is the coolest one—in Greek and Cypriot folk traditions, a child born on the winter solstice is in danger of becoming a “Kallikantzaros”: a malevolent goblin…. They dwell underground but come to the surface from 25 December to 6 January (from the winter solstice for a fortnight during which time the sun ceases its seasonal movement). Its name is possibly derived from “kalos-kentauros, or “beautiful centaur.”.

It is believed that Kallikantzaroi stay underground sawing the World tree, so that it will collapse, along with Earth.[1]However, when they are about to saw the final part, Christmas dawns and they are able to come to surface. They forget the Tree and come to bring trouble to mortals.

Finally, on the Epiphany (6 January), the sun starts moving again, and they must go underground again to continue their sawing. They see that during their absence the World tree has healed itself, so they must start working all over again. This happens every year.”

I was also thinking that Ben’s birth on the Winter solstice encapsulates one of its main meanings—the bringing together of birth and death. As I was saying above there is often a sacrifice involved—for Ben, his mother, but subsequently for him fathers and father figures. This actually fits with many solstice rituals. I had been thinking of sacrifice on the solstice mainly in terms of offerings to a male god like Odin, but when I read up on it I found that originally it’s most associated with celebrations of a female deity and the sacrifice that is made is usually male. In Germanic tradition—the name for the holiday is actually “Modranicht” or “Modresnach” (Mother’s Night). In another Greek tradition—it’s called the “Feast of the Wild Women” (Danielle?) in which legend has it that Dionysus was said to have been torn apart and, ummm, eaten by said Wild Women. (Why is there so much cannibalism in Greek Mythology?) He is then reborn. The ritual celebration involved the slaughter of a bull (or perhaps even a man)—and then the presentation of a baby representing the reborn Dionysus.

(all above info from Wikipedia)

Heh, I just realized I stated the obvious in my previous post.

Just say it, “No shiznit. The purge occurred on his birthday MORON!”

I’m such a dork. ;)

Cool stuff jazoracle.

Hey, who you callin a dork? Nobody calls shammie a dork, not even shammie!

However, definitely ok to call jazzie jazoracle!!

Thanks for defending me from me, myself, and I as well as all the hostiles out there. ;P

Woot—go Annie! I nominate Annie for Vegas Security!

I think a better name for me might be jazretriever

Speaking of which another thing I just remembered in connection with balance—chakra has 8 stations in the body. I looked them up and couldn’t make strong connections between those 8 stations and 8 Dharma stations except maybe this one:

The Swan—The Swadhistahna—located at the tailbone, associated with pitilessness, total destruction, delusion, disdain, suspicion

Woof…jazretreiver over and out

“Happy belated…”

OR is it?

Ben was supposed to be born on the vernal equinox instead of the winter solstice—he was born then on a day of imbalance instead of balance—have things been out of kilter ever since including pregnancies? I have always thought the idea that the Linus family was just out walking so far from anything with Mom in her 2nd trimester very odd/suspicious, and think we will eventually find out that thye were trying to get away from something/somewhere/someone—I’d vote for a Widmore/Paik connection. And that might also explain how the DeGroots happened by .

If he had been born at the right time it would have been on the Egyptian holiday: Sham El Neesim http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/shamelnaseen.htm

And I wonder if that holiday might be connected to the Egyptian goddess, Bast or Sekhmet—the cat/lion goddess (four toed statue) associated with protection of mothers/children/fertility. http://www.crystalinks.com/bast.html

Cheese and rice!

Where do you come up with this stuff jaz? Concepts and words like “Kallikantzaros” and “Swadhistahna”.

Who are you that is so wise in the ways of science?

Nee!

Heh, just call me an Art :-) and Science type Sham…

It might even be the right time of year for pulling swords out of stones and theories out of my…well wherever they originate…

Heya fore-kat-ster,

Was synchronically posting a group 1 kind of based on the Pandora’s box-hope connection probably ‘round the same time you were posting these comments :-)

Spiral—interesting—the Caduceus is a spiral too right?

I like both the Pandora’s box myth and the Amaterasu myth for Sun—one she looks into herself and sees hope still within, the other she looks at herself and sees the Sun’s return—rebirth.

Widmore/Paik—I was thinking of a connection to why Ben’s parents were on walkabout—has that been suggested somewhere?

The healing/immortality properties of the island—do you think they’re equally happening on solstice and equinox—’cause I kinda liked the idea of sacrifices being necessary with the winter solstice as opposed to the balance of the equinox?

OK, here’s a wacky idea…what if somehow Ben actually was conceived on the island—Roger was not his biological Dad and Emily became pregnant on the island while working for Widmore/Paik and was then taken off island temporarily to some Widmore facility. She was going to be returned so that the child would be born on the island but is afraid she will die and hooks up with Roger (maybe he was a janitor there too) and tries to escape. And so Ben should have had special powers if he had been born when and where he was supposed to be, but everythings out of balance for him. The Degroots then are sent to make sure that Ben gets to the island ‘cause there’s still interest in how he turned out.

Just an interesting addition on the Caduceus—I was looking it up ‘cause I was thinking more about spirals and the fact that DNA is a double helix structure kinda like the Caduceus. Well it turns out the Caduceus is wrongly attributed to medicine; it’s actually a symbol for commerce. It’s associated with Hermes—god of thievery and business. Wonder if the writers are playing off of that confusion.

Hmmm—some thoughts about falling stars. First that they are metoers or meteorites—could be the source of the electromagnetism on the island?

When referred to as shooting stars, you wish on them—fulfillment of desires—good luck (except for Tricia Tanaka).

There is a flower called colloquially a shooting star that tends to grow on the West coast of the US (could those be the red flowers?) Latin name for this flower is Dodecatheon—which also refers to the 12 Olympian Gods.

There’s a poem by John Donne called “Go and Catch a Falling Star”—aside from its very misogynist message about the essential deceptiveness of women—it does have some interesting Lost connections (and hey maybe the female deceptiveness is about Kate):

GO and catch a falling star,/ Get with child a mandrake root,/ Tell me where all past years are,/ Or who cleft the devil’s foot,/ Teach me to hear mermaids singing,/ Or to keep off envy’s stinging,/ And find/ What wind/ Serves to advance an honest mind.

If thou be’st born to strange sights,/ Things invisible to see,/ Ride ten thousand days and nights,/ Till age snow white hairs on thee,/ Thou, when thou return’st, wilt tell me,/ All strange wonders that befell thee,/ And swear,/ No where/ Lives a woman true and fair.

If thou find’st one, let me know,/ Such a pilgrimage were sweet;/ Yet do not, I would not go,/ Though at next door we might meet,/ Though she were true, when you met her,/ And last, till you write your letter,/ Yet she/ Will be/ False, ere I come, to two, or three.

Connections I was thinking of—pregnancy, siren songs—brainwashing, wind-Smokie? and also strange-sights invisible to see—whispers?

Ahhh—more healing at the solstice—rebirth then, but with sacrifice usually preceding. Yeah, that Egyptian holiday I referenced above is symbolized by eggs.