Late Fate
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By risebysin
- Late Fate
- Created: Dec 2, 2007
- Last updated: Aug 30, 2008
- After episode: 3.22: Through The Looking Glass
- Status: Current
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I’m not sure if this has been pointed out before but after re-watching the bulk of the first 2 seasons I’ve noticed some interesting things about Charlie, mainly, how often he narrowly escapes death, and that the writers foreshadowed the way he would die, and why he would die. I can’t say it’s anything definitive since so many of the other Losties(Sawyer in particular) have been in and out of the crosshairs, but it’s definitely food for thought.
When the boar comes to the beach and is digging through the fuselage, the boar charges into the Losties and Jack pushes Charlie out of the way.
Charlie nearly falls victim to Smokie, only to be saved by Jack who comes back for him.
First when arguing with Jack, and then a second time when attempting to save Jack, Charlie causes the rock cave to collapse.
Charlie is attacked by Ethan and then hung from the trees, resuscitated by Jack.
The fireball from Eko’s explosives in the hatch almost kills Charlie.
Charlie writes ‘late’ and then ‘fate’ on the tape on his fingers.
Charlie has a dream in which his mother tells him: “You’re special. You’re going to get all of us out of here someday.” Liam adds, ‘c’mon baby brother, you can’t save us if you don’t play’. His father’s voice, off screen, adds ‘He ain’t saving no one, he ain’t. Music. Music will never get you anywhere, Charlie boy.” Liam and Mrs. Pace then go on to encourage Charlie to play and save them.
Charlie then proceeds to dream(twice) that he needs to go out into the water to save Aaron.
So here we have Charlie constantly avoiding death and dreaming well in advance that he would not only swim out into the water to save Aaron(he did it for Aaron/Claire via Desmond’s advice), but also that music would be essential to saving everyone, and we’re told this well in advance of the season 3 finale.
Key episodes
| # | Title | Aired | Central character | Theories |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3.22 | Through The Looking Glass | 5-23-2007 | Jack | 1246 |
I think I read something on this subject a few posts back. Is your post late or is it fate?
I think the producers scored big time when the signed on Dominic. He probably signed a three year contract.
He was/is a hot commodity. It will be interesting to see what he does next.
sham, there is a theory by JohnLocke815 similar, but just about the magic marker and what Charlie wrote on his fingers.
ouch, I hate to disagree with you, even a little……
Anyway, rise, your theory is much more in depth and takes in the whole first two seasons. Excellent observations!!! I now have to wonder if this is what they had planned for Charlie all along.
+1 for a very insightful theory, I really liked it!
This theory is different from the previous one, and it does look like many of Charlie’s experiences both on the island and in his flashbacks point directly to his end by water via music. Good obsevations.
Rise, I noticed this running theme with Charlie early on! I took from those episodes, and his flashbacks, to mean that “the music” aspect was not so much about Charlie’s experience with “Driveshaft”, as it was about what happens in TLG, when he breaks the code. I guess the only question would be, is, did his musical skills save anyone, or was Charlie’s father right??
I think Charlie demonstrated some precognitive abilities, through his dreams, but had no true understanding of them. They were more in the form of intuition, not fully developed in the conscious mind. His dreams about saving Aaron are a prime example of this.
I have also noted running themes with other characters as well, as it plays out their plight, pre-island and their present status, but am unclear as to the full meaning of it all.
Good eye!!! +1
I’m never gonna talk to you again Annie. Just joshing of course… ;)
By the way, it was a Sharpie and not a Magic Marker…
Details, details…
Excellent work Rise. I think you are really on to something. I agree that this is sufficiently different from 815’s theory. In fact I think what you say about Charlie dreaming about saving Aaron and water is particuarly pertinent.
Good work, +1.
I totally agree with the theory rise.I wonder if there was a force working against Charlies ultimate fate of unjamming the signal. There were so many near misses for him. Another one was when he crossed the suspended bridge to find Rousseau.
Charlies dreams were definitely prophetic ,and it does seem there was a definite plan for Charlie right from the get go. +1
In the pilot Charlie was almost smashed by a piece of debris off the exploding jet engine!
+1
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really goods observations + 1 :)
I can add that the fireball moment is pretty much a riff on how he dodged a trolley cart from smashing into him when Oceanic 815 was going down.
Clearly, for me, the biggest moment was when Charlie was hung from a vine (where Lost had it’s cake and ate it by giving Charlie ‘a death’ before then having him revived) and in light of this and the above evidence it was never more fitting that he died. Coupled in with the ‘music to save’ resonanance (never picked up on it, excellent work) then this just adds deeper layers.
Hate to do this Rise… Hate it… +1
:o)
rise, I agree with what everyone said above—and I think the “force” might be Jack. He is the one who seems to show up most regularly in these scenes. I do remember that In “All the Best Cowboys” thinking that Jack was very possibly not meant to save Charlie. For one thing, there’s that reference to Star Trek and “piss-poor Captains” that Locke makes, and Locke also says that Jack shouldn’t go after Claire and Charlie as he’s the camp’s only physician. Just like a Captain going on an away team mission—the only physician shouldn’t be out risking his life
+1 for the theory. Did anyone remember the ring that is brother gave to Charlie on Christmas? It seems after that present, Charlie life begin to change, i.e. his addiction to drugs. Before Charlie and Desmond went to the station where that signal was being jammed, he took of his ring and put it into the baby carriage.
It just always made me wonder, that’s all, does anybody else remember that sequence of events.
i really like this theory, as it has lots of good examples of charlie’s death being foreshadowed, but by looking at the end of the series, i think it becomes more interesting.
the purpose of him going to the looking glass & entering the code (as far as he’s aware) was to get the losties rescued from the island. but if what ben says is true, & judging by the flashforward we’ve seen, this is not going to end well for them.
what i want to know if, if this has been planned for some time, who has been sending charlie the dreams (or causing his dreams, if you prefer)? is it fate? is it some other force that wants him to enter the code for their own purposes? i get more confused the more i think about this show.
+1
i haven’t been on in a while and enjoyed reading your post.. excellent observations. i love Charlie’s character. he is one of my faves. +1. (water & music. +1111)
Hey, I have enjoyed this post and the comments. I posted a theory about Charlie being near-death for the first two seasons. But I focused more on what happens after Desmond visits him in the past in “Flashes Before Your Eyes”. I was thinking the writers put him near death many times before the hatch implosion, therefore when Charlie is disturbed by Desmond while playing his guitar in past-day England, it sets him on a different life course. One that causes one of those previoulsy mentioned near-deaths to become an actual death. Basically he fell victim to Desmond causing a butterfly effect iin his life which ended his good luck timing. That is why Desomnd can see the flashes of charlie dying, becuase HE is the one that set him of course. It is here > http://www.lost-theories.com/theories/2007/oct/03/embrace-time-travel-if-only-10/ p.s. I think its interesting that on the canoe, Charlie said “,we both know you’re not supposed to take my place.”
+1 Keep ‘em comin’.
shammagic, lol I stand corrected. It was a Sharpie, of course.
Great points. I didn’t remember all of those instances.
But come to think of it, I do believe you’re right.
It seems the writers definitely had this in mind from the get-go!!
Great stuff, man. Great stuff!!
Carlton: So Meriadoc… I mean Dominic (Charlie)… Are you in?
Dominic: Yep, I’m in.
Carlton: And your OK with an Aussie chick named Claire calling you Chollie all the time?
Dominic: Aye brutha.
Carlton: No, no, Desmond is the guy that says “brutha” all the time.
Dominic: Right. He’s that Scottish bloke right?
Carlton: Correct. So we can count on you for 3 years?
Dominic: Aye brutha… I mean yes.
Carlton: Cool
Very Nice Theory.
When the hatch was imploded didnt the hatch door, the one marked ‘Quarantine’ narrowly miss Charlie and Claire on the beach as well? +1
Great comments as well
excellent.
I really liked the connection between Charlie’s music and his fate of saving everyone in the water. Well thought out and really good observations!
I remember in season 1 when the life guard Boone appeared to be drowning Charlie told jack that he couldn’t help because he didn’t know how to swim didn’t he? But that might have been because he was high at the time. Also once Charlie was telling Aaron the itsy bitsy spider nursery rhyme only he said “down came the rain and drowned the spider out” instead of “washed” Hurley corrected him on this.